Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

[Blzer]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Five minutes after I first popped MLB 2K5 into the Xbox, I was cursing out loud at the TV: “WTF is this garbage?!”

Your opinion.

Two weeks after MLB 2K5 was released, there were maybe five people still coming to these boards who hadn’t abandoned the game along with everyone else in North America. In other words, the game was unplayable by almost everyone’s standards. And it was only playable for me because I spent three months editing player ratings.

Their opinion (and go check the IGN polls, see that MLB 2K5 got 45% of the vote, and not .45%. It's all based on the population and the bias. This has message board bias, and IGN has all-around bias (in terms of who chose to vote and who didn't). I still don't believe how so many people could not call MVP 2004 broken. IMO, that's just fanboyism.

A horrible rep for no reason at all? Truth is I don’t believe you actually believe that statement yourself. No, a very deserved rep, given they (twice) chose to release a steaming pile of dung and promote it as a video baseball game.

Don't even go into the World Series Edition. I've explained their logic enough. You did not need to buy it... it was more of a second-chance go around.





I've already said it in a few threads... some of your arguments don't hold water. Jose Reyes does not lead his team in home runs (nor is he even getting double-digits), and the only long arms in this game are... well, based on body proportions, there aren't any. You (and all others) should reserve fair judgment for this game and every other game. Don't base it off of some strangely created bad rep Kush got for a first year attempt at a baseball game, and wait it out. Like I've also said many times... EA asked for 3 years with MVP for a fully viewable sample of what their final product was supposed to look like. You barely gave them 1 year (and again... I don't want to hear it about the WSE).

[jim416]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Blzer,

No offense, but baa7 is being rhetorical and he's right. The game was a mess out of the box, pure and simple. He's basing his thoughts on a lot of fact and not opinon. It was right there in front of you to see. That's a fact.

I think baa7 (and me) want this game to shine. It'd sure be nice to believe that what they are showing us is going to work correctly. But this game was a mess, pure and simple, and only made playable (which baa7 admits he does, play the game) after much tweaking by gamers who aren't even paid game developers.

You gave an opinion, i.e., I don't see any greater benefits to going back to that bland ESPN Major League Baseball. Hit variety was pretty much the same, and home runs were the same the same thing you criticize baa7 for. I disagree with your opinion on this one. Does it make you wrong, no. Does it make what you said a fact, no.

If someone wants to be skeptical, that's good. If someone wants to be optimistic, that's good too.

You're pushing this as a fact, They're whole new movement system will be revolutionary to the series.. That's an opinon. I've seen "revolutionary" things before that wound up being utter messes. It might be a fact that it's in the game, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

We don't know what we're gonna get, but, they're gonna have to prove it to me. That's why I have my humble pie standing by. I intend to eat it big time if I'm wrong, but I'm also bettin' a moose dinner that it's buggy.

[SoMiss2000]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Blzer,

No offense, but baa7 is being rhetorical and he's right. The game was a mess out of the box, pure and simple. He's basing his thoughts on a lot of fact and not opinon. It was right there in front of you to see. That's a fact.

I think baa7 (and me) want this game to shine. It'd sure be nice to believe that what they are showing us is going to work correctly. But this game was a mess, pure and simple, and only made playable (which baa7 admits he does, play the game) after much tweaking by gamers who aren't even paid game developers.

You gave an opinion, i.e., I don't see any greater benefits to going back to that bland ESPN Major League Baseball. Hit variety was pretty much the same, and home runs were the same the same thing you criticize baa7 for. I disagree with your opinion on this one. Does it make you wrong, no. Does it make what you said a fact, no.

If someone wants to be skeptical, that's good. If someone wants to be optimistic, that's good too.

You're pushing this as a fact, They're whole new movement system will be revolutionary to the series.. That's an opinon. I've seen "revolutionary" things before that wound up being utter messes. It might be a fact that it's in the game, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

We don't know what we're gonna get, but, they're gonna have to prove it to me. That's why I have my humble pie standing by. I intend to eat it big time if I'm wrong, but I'm also bettin' a moose dinner that it's buggy.

I concur.

And muff, last year's game was a steaming pile of dung out of the box. I don'thave time to sit and tweak player ratings.

[Blzer]

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Again, understandable. My comments aren't just directed toward baa or you, though. Any person that walks in here and that has something negative to say towards a game that has not been released is most likely somebody that chose MVP 2004 as their game of the year 2 years ago. Those unplayable bugs, for console gamers, are not patchable. Your argument sure is valid that the game was unplayable out of the box, but I did not do any roster editing or tweaking for me to be on my 4th year of my franchise to make it playable... just slider tweaking. You say how I'm trying to state opinions as facts (which I would never do), and you make that "unplayable" statement as if it were a fact. Obviously, it's not.

MVP 2004 was broken. MLB 2K5 is, more or less, broken (with annoying patch-ups). Yet, people just knew somehow that MVP 2005 would fix everything wrong with 2004. No problem with that... I felt the same way. Yet, now that MLB 2K6 is coming along, so much optimism is being fed to us, and there are many pessimists that shun the game before it comes out... just because, again, of a strangely created bad rep that Kush got after their first attempt at a baseball game.

Remember how poor ESPN NHL Hockey was? NHL 2K6 is leaps and bounds better. I said this in my last post, but again... I don't think that anybody caught it: EA stated a 3-year cycle for MVP will show the consumer a complete version of what they wanted to get out of the new engine. Give Kush that same chance without giving it such a bad reputation. I mean... one year and you have to talk ****? Come on, it has to be something that's ongoing and persistent. I've said many times that the bugs that you see now were in this first attempt and this one version only (and again, don't talk to me about the WS Edition... Kush's heart and soul was put into 2K6, and not 2K5 WSE), and that they need a chance for polishing it before just being fed with negativity.


Is criticism a good thing? Of course. We have already done that with 2K5. But now, what you're giving them is just pure ****. When I say pure, I mean you can smell it, and you probably don't want to pick it up with your bare hands. They're giving us a taste of what's to come, but because of what you've seen from last year's game, you're going to have to assume that they will come broken. Fine, assume it. Just don't talk like you've played the game, because you haven't. At the same time, I should not talk like I've played the game either... but why not give you a better taste of your medicine?

[sask3m]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

no offence baa7 but i was once on a three day bender and i'd swear the turd with chocalate sauce did indeed taste better , now back on topic, i for one for some strange reason do believe this game will be quite good, call it a hunch but just incase i'm working on a new hh2004 roster using dangerz's editor and my modded xbox, so if this game does crap out i will have a backup

[Spectre]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Be critical all you want guys. Atleast give the developers a chance to SHOW something from this year's version before announcing this game a failure. It's not fair (or realistic) to expect a game to stay static over a year.

[baa7]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Be critical all you want guys. Atleast give the developers a chance to SHOW something from this year's version before announcing this game a failure. It's not fair (or realistic) to expect a game to stay static over a year.

What’s not fair – or moral – is a company knowingly releasing a broken and practically unplayable game, twice. Why is it that video game developers like 2K and EA can get away with this? A comparable example would be if every time we purchased a music CD, we’d have come to expect that three or four of the tracks on the disk were all garbled because they weren’t burned properly, and that the disc froze in our CD player every other time we played it. There would be a public outcry if that were the case, yet with video games, gamers suggest things like giving the poor company another year to prove themselves. Me, I was willing to gave 2K a second chance with last year’s broken game – and then they simply re-released it as WSE.

[baa7]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

It's not fair (or realistic) to expect a game to stay static over a year.

I think it’s entirely realistic to expect the game play has remained static, and for a couple of reasons. First, as I’ve mentioned, I spent months testing and tweaking and editing, and can honestly tell you that perhaps 90% of what in MLB 2K5 would be called “game play” is either horribly mis-programmed or entirely broken. I’ve broken down many video sports games, and this game is by far the most broken game I’ve ever come across… with the possible exception of Hardball 6. It would no doubt take an entire re-write of the programming to get this game to play properly, yet it appears what they’ve done is spend their entire time programming a swack of exciting new features into the game. Hard to believe they had time to touch the game play programming.

Second, I believe they’re actually more-or-less happy with last year’s game play, and that the game play was programmed in an arcade manner, with intent. Like EA, 2K appears to be aiming to please the casual gamer who likes to hit tons of homeruns, to gobble up grounders like a vacuum cleaner, and to dive like a Stuka and climb outfield walls like Spiderman. I mean really: what was the last game that, like MLB 2K5, had atomic blast sounds when you hit the ball? Triple Play Baseball.

[Blzer]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

Baa, I take it you're just not reading any of my statements. They just go in one... er... eye... and out the other. Anything that I had ever said has reasonable backup, and you're just going beyond that. You're restating the same things that I had already rebuttled. I've been waiting for your counter-rebuttle.

[skinz]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

I'm late into this conversation but here's my insight, while MVP 2003 & mvp 2004 were buggy the game still played good. I had MVP 2004 but I traded it not because of the gameplay, but because the franchise mode took too long to play through,150 years of franchise mode is overdoing it IMO. I played MVP 2003 and hated that you couldn't warm up your relievers, have different slides, the roster management was a joke, and the create a player was really bad (only could fit a limited amout of letters to a name), but overall the gameplay still played good. The MVP series only did what it had to do which was create new animations, have a better roster management, a faster franchise mode, and a better edit mode without messing up the gameplay. Look at MVP 2005, it still plays like MVP 2003 except with a touch up on a few things.

2Ksports MLB series first start of a new baseball, MLB 2K5, laid no foundation to start with. The game was overall shot and programmed wrong, and the animation was way behind of other basbeall games at the time. Now with MLB 2K6, they've added things like what EA did with MVP 2004 on the second attempt. However, the MLB 2k series did not upgrade the gameplay to make the new additions work, for example, MLB2k5: World Series Edition. That is why many are skeptical on MLB 2k6, its good to add INSIDE EDGE and new animations with arguing calls, but since the upgrade wasn't seen in the fall version of MLB 2k5, that means they are still going to use the same engine in MLB 2K5.

hope that made sense.

[jim416]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

But now, what you're giving them is just pure ****. When I say pure, I mean you can smell it, and you probably don't want to pick it up with your bare hands.

Blzer you are WAY too dramatic. You show me where I said it was unplayable. I said it was a mess. I've said I have no hope that they are going to fix the baseball part of the game. I've said I'd eat humble pie. Again you are way too dramatic.

[nemesis04]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

.....And it's still going!!!!!

[Graphik]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

You guys are being to hard on the game. Many of you dismiss it before we even get any real legit info. I understand all of the pessimism and its warranted but lets be real here, this is'nt EA sports where bad games are often released at full price. This is TT/2K here where they've been known to represent the hardcore gamer. This IE feature alone says they are looking out for us this go around.

I'm sure the game will have bugs but I do think it'll be completely playable and nothing less of spectacular. There have been quite a few 1 year turnarounds in sports games. I think MLB is next in line for that. Like I said, the pessimism is deserved but you guys are trashing the game before we even know anything yet. Give it some time. Wait till some real info is released. Wait for the Q&As and dev interviews. This is the only MLB game on the XBOX, one can only hope that we'll get the best we can get.

[mjb2124]

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You guys are being to hard on the game.

There past doesn't leave many of us with any other way to view it. The baseball games released by 2K recently have been awful IMO. Things that are as simple as lineup problems and passed balls. How QA didn't catch those things is beyond me.

If Madden takes a beating based on previous years of poor gameplay (and many, many people bashed it before it was released on the 360), then 2K MLB deserves the same fate until they show me otherwise.

I'm not sold on this Inside Edge technology yet. I'll give it a try when the game comes out, but for someone who's programmed a lot of code in the past, it's gonna be hard IMO to make this information make the game either too easy or completely useless.

With that said, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. I really thought last years offering would be excellent (as I really enjoyed the 2004 version). However, that wasn't the case. It took a huge step back IMO and that's never a good sign.

[Graphik]

Re: Whats soo great about INSIDE EDGE?.

There past doesn't leave many of us with any other way to view it. The baseball games released by 2K recently have been awful IMO. Things that are as simple as lineup problems and passed balls. How QA didn't catch those things is beyond me.

If Madden takes a beating based on previous years of poor gameplay (and many, many people bashed it before it was released on the 360), then 2K MLB deserves the same fate until they show me otherwise.

I'm not sold on this Inside Edge technology yet. I'll give it a try when the game comes out, but for someone who's programmed a lot of code in the past, it's gonna be hard IMO to make this information make the game either too easy or completely useless.

With that said, I'm hoping for the best, but expecting the worst. I really thought last years offering would be excellent (as I really enjoyed the 2004 version). However, that wasn't the case. It took a huge step back IMO and that's never a good sign.

I said the same thing in another thread here. Since Madden takes a beating year after year, 2K baseball deserves the same. I give the benefit of the doubt since this is 2K sports we're talking about.(yes, I'm biased) It just seems ppl have no doubt in their mind that this game will suck. I think the Inside Edge will be great. For me, I can see all of the possibilities and how no two games against the same team will feel the same. The trend with 2K games seems to be rewarding the user for its coaching skills instead of its joystick jokeying skills and I believe MLB 2K6 will follow suit because of the IE technology.

It may work and it may end up making the game garbage but I highly doubt they'll go out of their way to add this feature and fudge it up. If you say it takes alot of work, it should change the face of the game.

I cant believe I'm actually on the optimist side this time. I'm usually screaming for blood, lol.