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  • packmanuk
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1095

    #1

    Influence Hit Direction

    I'd like to play this game without pointing the left stick (classic hitting) to direct my shots.

    Is this possible without everything going up the middle ? I want my timing to determine where the ball goes.

    I've tried not directing the stick but for me everything seems to go pretty much up the middle, I don't get many liners at all if any.

    I also want to set my sliders up so that I can hit a home run without using the push up power swing. What sort of settings should I use to get this.

    If I have to use the left stick for shot variety i will but I really want to know if variety is possible without using the left stick.
  • NumberOneRB
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1113

    #2
    Re: Influence Hit Direction

    You can try to just swing without using the left stick, but you're not going to get much good contact. The game is meant to have classic swinging similar to MVP (where you get better contact by aiming with the left stick in the direction of the pitch location). The swing stick is the only option you have in which you don't need to use the left stick to alter hitting direction.

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    • sask3m
      Banned
      • Sep 2002
      • 2352

      #3
      Re: Influence Hit Direction

      i've hit hrs w/o aiming the L stick up but i'm usually aiming the L stick left or right at the time, can't say for sure if i've ever hit one while not moving the stick, i just aim the stick wherever the ball goes and swing.

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      • CMH
        Making you famous
        • Oct 2002
        • 26203

        #4
        Re: Influence Hit Direction

        I don't use the left stick at all and I get a variety of hits.

        You really notice it when you go with an outside pitch and punch it to rightfield. Great feeling.
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        • jmw1137
          *t's g*nn* b* L*g*nd*ry
          • Mar 2003
          • 1119

          #5
          Re: Influence Hit Direction

          You can definitely do it with timing. You can see how in HR derby. It's very easy, IMO, to direct to left, center or right depending on when you hit the ball. I would bet it's much harder in a game 'cause the pitch speeds are constantly varying. So unless you're looking for a specific pitch it is probably easier to just use the stick to direct.

          With that said, I don't use the stick to direct and I get hits all over the place.

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          • baa7
            Banned
            • Jul 2004
            • 11691

            #6
            Re: Influence Hit Direction

            There is no classic hitting (zone-style) in this game. It's timing. And if you care to choose a direction you wish the ball to go (flyball, groundball, LF, RF) you push the L stick pre-pitch. That's it. And yes, it is entirely possible to get a variety of hits every game without touching the L stick. The game was programmed for that. I'd even suggest that's a more realistic approach to hitting than moving the L stick. Really, the ease with which it's possible to control the hit type in this game borders on the ridiculous. Certainly it's completely unrealistic.

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            • sask3m
              Banned
              • Sep 2002
              • 2352

              #7
              Re: Influence Hit Direction

              Originally posted by baa7
              There is no classic hitting (zone-style) in this game. It's timing. And if you care to choose a direction you wish the ball to go (flyball, groundball, LF, RF) you push the L stick pre-pitch. That's it. And yes, it is entirely possible to get a variety of hits every game without touching the L stick. The game was programmed for that. I'd even suggest that's a more realistic approach to hitting than moving the L stick. Really, the ease with which it's possible to control the hit type in this game borders on the ridiculous. Certainly it's completely unrealistic.
              i don't see it being that easy to control hit direction in this game esp. w/o using the L stick but then again i'm not very good, the manual does make mention of using the L stick to aim at the ball to go with the pitch and i find it works very well, when i have tried the swing stick that is where i see unrealistic hits, i can get jammed on the fists with an inside pitch batting right handed and still hit it out to right field but not when i use classic hitting.

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              • baa7
                Banned
                • Jul 2004
                • 11691

                #8
                Re: Influence Hit Direction

                Originally posted by sask3m
                i don't see it being that easy to control hit direction in this game esp. w/o using the L stick but then again i'm not very good, the manual does make mention of using the L stick to aim at the ball to go with the pitch
                It's not 'going with the pitch'. It's straight up predetermining the direction you want the ball to travel. I spent at least an hour testing it out today. Regardless of the pitch location, the ball will travel in the direction you point the stick, period. I had hit after hit to the opposite field on inside pitches, simply because I was pointing the stick opposite field. It shouldn't be that easy, and again that's not the way it works with hitting anyway. Batters don't step up to the plate and pre-determine where they'll be directing their hit each AB.

                It's all moot anyway. I rented the game; it has to go back by Thursday, after which I have no plans on buying it. This timing/point-direction style of batting is just too simplistic for me. It's not emulating anything that has to do with the actual mechanics and physics of hitting pitches IMO.

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                • sask3m
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 2352

                  #9
                  Re: Influence Hit Direction

                  ok, well i haven't actually tested it out, i think the L stick as far as influencing hit direction is really only to be used when you want to move a man over or hit a sac fly ( show has the same thing), other than that yeah i say just time it with the A button and as far as baseball physics go i highly doubt you'll ever see a game that does it all.

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                  • baa7
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11691

                    #10
                    Re: Influence Hit Direction

                    Originally posted by sask3m
                    ok, well i haven't actually tested it out, i think the L stick as far as influencing hit direction is really only to be used when you want to move a man over or hit a sac fly ( show has the same thing), other than that yeah i say just time it with the A button and as far as baseball physics go i highly doubt you'll ever see a game that does it all.
                    Yes, and I understand the concept of pointing in the direction you're trying to get the ball to move, depending on the game circumstances. I think that's fine. But the L stick is over-programmed to the point where if you point in a direction, the ball travels in that direction, regardless of pitch location. Seriously, I couldn't not hit the ball in the opposite direction I was pointing the stick. Pointing down always produces groundballs. The only direction that doesn't have a completely predetermined outcome is pointing up. You get fly balls maybe 80% of the time, along with the occasional groundball.

                    Start a game up, and just keep hitting Restart every three outs, and just keep hitting. Keep the L stick pointed to the left and watch hit after hit end up in left field, etc. It was an eye-opener for me today when I did that. Guess I just need a hitting system that produces far less automatic hits like that.

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                    • jjhennes
                      Rookie
                      • Mar 2006
                      • 197

                      #11
                      Re: Influence Hit Direction

                      Originally posted by baa7
                      Start a game up, and just keep hitting Restart every three outs, and just keep hitting. Keep the L stick pointed to the left and watch hit after hit end up in left field, etc. It was an eye-opener for me today when I did that. Guess I just need a hitting system that produces far less automatic hits like that.
                      My copy from Gamefly is on it's way, but reading this (along with the effort required to get franchises playing relatively realistic) has really got me concerned. I have no reason to doubt the poster, but can anyone confirm this issue?

                      And is simply hitting a and never touching the L stick really producing a good mix of contact? If that's the case, I'll deal with it, even though it boils down to the same depth that was in RBI Baseball.

                      Or maybe I'll try the swing-stick. I never really got the hang of it in '06. What's the general consensus on the swing-stick and realistic contact?

                      Thanks

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                      • Village Idiot
                        Probably Insane
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 2733

                        #12
                        Re: Influence Hit Direction

                        Originally posted by jjhennes
                        My copy from Gamefly is on it's way, but reading this (along with the effort required to get franchises playing relatively realistic) has really got me concerned. I have no reason to doubt the poster, but can anyone confirm this issue?
                        It's not an issue, dude. The hitting mechanics are cool. Not great, but cool. Why homeboy's got an issue with it being timing-based is a mystery to me. LOL .... "It's not emulating anything that has to do with the actual mechanics and physics of hitting pitches" ... As if Madden 'emulates the mechanics' of throwing a football or tackling.

                        The bats have a little too much pop to them. Other than that, hitting is fine.

                        And is simply hitting a and never touching the L stick really producing a good mix of contact?
                        Yeah, it does. Frankly, the solution to this 'problem' is as simple as laying off the L stick - only use it once and a while. Problem solved.
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                        • baa7
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 11691

                          #13
                          Re: Influence Hit Direction

                          Originally posted by Undefeated
                          Why homeboy's got an issue with it being timing-based is a mystery to me.
                          I always wanted to be a homeboy, whatever that is. But it sounds cool.

                          Why do I have a problem with a pure timing system? Because that's not baseball. Hitting is a combination of timing and going after the pitch, where it's pitched. But moving the stick to the left to make the ball head into left field, regardless of pitch location, isn't baseball. It's standing in the batter's box and thinking to one's self as the pitcher winds up: "Today, I believe I shall place the ball right... over...... THERE!"

                          jjhennes: Is the game worth picking up? For many, absolutely. I think anybody who enjoyed the hitting system in MVP will have no issues with the hitting system in 2K7. But I'm a HH and The Show-type guy: classic pitchng and zone hitting, neither of which are in this game. So it doesn't work for me personally.

                          EDIT - Read more comments and concerns about the 'influencing hit-type' batting in 2K7:

                          http://forums.operationsports.com/vB...d.php?t=200673
                          Last edited by baa7; 03-06-2007, 05:25 AM.

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                          • K_GUN
                            C*t*z*n *f RSN
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 3891

                            #14
                            Re: Influence Hit Direction

                            explain zone hitting again...i forgot

                            and the differences between it & MVP "hit it where its pitched" style
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                            • brettryantalley
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 730

                              #15
                              Re: Influence Hit Direction

                              i agree with both sides here...to be honest, when i got the game, i did the ol "not read the directions, but go strait into playing" and my batters eye circle was on...so i kept trying to use that like an old hitting icon like from ASB or something...i was getting MAD...then i actually read the manual and figured it out.

                              i'm a little dissapointed in it. in my opinion, zone (MVP) hitting was great. timing is what determined where the ball went (pull, opposite field, up the middle) but where you placed the left stick determined how you hit the ball. if a pitch was low and outside, and i just swang normal down the middle, i probably would have hit a little ground ball (where would have been determined by when i swang...is that even a word)...but if (on MVP) i would have swang down and outside with the L stick, i could have gotten a nice line drive into right field.

                              with this game, anything low and outside that you use the stick for and go low and outside with is a groundball to the first basemen. everytime. it's REALLY frustrating. i'm getting used to dealing with it just being all timing. it's not as fun as a baseball game could be, but i have to admit that i love it and play at least a game a day at this point and will for awhile.

                              so...point in case...MVP zone hitting was the real deal for me. this is similar in that timing matters...the the L stick is not so great...at all.

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