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  • brrmikey
    Pro
    • Aug 2005
    • 826

    #16
    Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

    i'm using classic swing / pitch speed 70 / zoom in batting...this is working out well. i read pitch type and location better, and foul off plenty of balls.

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    • JoeDog10
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      • Jun 2003
      • 341

      #17
      Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

      I have my pitch speed set at 65. You can still strike out, but you can actually read the pitch coming out of the pitcher's hand much better.

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      • RoyalBoyle78
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        • May 2003
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        #18
        Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

        Originally posted by ehh
        See the post above yours.
        70 is what I have my slider set to, 70 works great, look at my sliders settings, try them out.
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        • VidGaminMachine476
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          • Dec 2005
          • 2686

          #19
          Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

          It's really annoying on classic swing.

          However, imho, the best way to get hits is to use Hitter's Eye and move it around a ton. I find pitchers like to go up high a LOT and also like to go down low. If you can pick it up with Hitter's Eye, then it should be easier to hit.

          Timing is hard though. It's REALLY hard to hit when it's all dark though.. can't even see the ball.
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          • Blzer
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            • Mar 2004
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            #20
            Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

            I personally do not want to sacrifice real pitch speeds just to be able to read and react to a pitch.

            I've been baseball gaming for years, and whenever there is a slider or option to raise pitch speed to the highest speed, I have been able to, and I've had zero problems reading and reacting to a 98 MPH fastball. That said, this game has terrible lag with swinging after having commanded a swing. I consider it maybe a quarter-second delay, and that is a LONG delay. It should be instantly responsive, yet it's not. It's not just me, either. Like I said, I've been gaming long enough that I've used the fastest pitch speeds in the game forever, and I know when there's a noticeable lag (which there is). I think this is the worst problem about all of them.
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            • Chitown1211
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              • Nov 2004
              • 762

              #21
              Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

              Pitch speed should be no higher than 50 IMO for realistic results. This way you can still read breaking balls and still whiff at the high heat .

              70,80,100 is just rediculous. The balls have no break and move at light speed.

              Believe me you will still strike out plenty. Your more apt to whiff at changeups and off speed pitches because they have more effect. Try it. You will love the game even more.


              Originally posted by baa7
              There you go - I always play with pitch speed at 100.

              Holy cow. What were you swinging at ? Blurs of white ?
              Last edited by Chitown1211; 04-10-2007, 01:03 PM.
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              • mjb2124
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                • Aug 2002
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                #22
                Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                75 has worked well for me. Sometimes I'll get blown away by a mid 90's fastball and other times I'll rip it. Sometimes I'll get completely fooled by a changeup and other times I'll rip it. Works out well. The only pitch that often completely baffles me is the 12/6 curve.

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                • baa7
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                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11691

                  #23
                  Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                  Originally posted by Chitown1211
                  Pitch speed should be no higher than 50 IMO for realistic results. This way you can still read breaking balls and still whiff at the high heat .

                  70,80,100 is just rediculous. The balls have no break and move at light speed.

                  Believe me you will still strike out plenty. Your more apt to whiff at changeups and off speed pitches because they have more effect. Try it. You will love the game even more.

                  Holy cow. What were you swinging at ? Blurs of white ?
                  Pitches break exactly the same on 100 pitch speed. What are you talking about?

                  The fact is, the pitch speed at 100 in 2K7 is a lot slower than 2K5 was, and much slower than The Show. I have no trouble playing with pitch speed at 100 in either of those games. The issue with 2K7 is the game isn't programmed properly. And anytime you have to disable features to get a game to play properly - like not pushing up on the swing stick, or reducing pitch speed to 50 to see pitches properly - it's a programming issue.

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                  • Garrett67
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                    • Sep 2004
                    • 1429

                    #24
                    Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                    Originally posted by baa7
                    There you go - I always play with pitch speed at 100.


                    That is WAY too fast. I timed real pitchers and I timed various settings in game and between 50 and 60 times out the best. Actually, I'm still studying this but 50-60 is closer than 100.



                    I can tell you from what I timed that a 94 MPH pitch in real life takes .41 seconds and in the game with pitch speed set to 60, a 91MPH pitch takes .43 seconds.
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                    • Chitown1211
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                      • Nov 2004
                      • 762

                      #25
                      Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                      Originally posted by baa7
                      Pitches break exactly the same on 100 pitch speed. What are you talking about?

                      The fact is, the pitch speed at 100 in 2K7 is a lot slower than 2K5 was, and much slower than The Show. I have no trouble playing with pitch speed at 100 in either of those games. The issue with 2K7 is the game isn't programmed properly. And anytime you have to disable features to get a game to play properly - like not pushing up on the swing stick, or reducing pitch speed to 50 to see pitches properly - it's a programming issue.


                      Your not disabling anything. What your not realizing is that 50 is a default setting. 50 was meant to SIM real life pitch speeds. Going above 50 is above normal and below 50 is below normal. Going above 50 is just adding unrealstic speed to make hitting more difficult.


                      All I can say is try it. Breaking balls and change ups take on a whole new dimension with realistic pitch speeds. 100 pitch speed is nowhere near realistic. A 75 MPH 12-6 curve is supposed to look like a beach ball to you right before it drops out of the zone. And your supposed to be able to wait on a slider to come back over the plate. With pitch speed above 70 your basically just hacking and praying anytime you see something near the strike zone.


                      Also are you suggesting that adjusting sliders makes a game bad ? Why is keeping pitch speed at 50 any worse than adjusting pitch speed to 100 ? And not pressing up on the stick is your own choice. I use it just fine with good results. You need to be curing the HR's with AI pitching adjustments.

                      It sounds to me like you have sliders in your mind that you think the game should play on and your unwilling to adjust your own mindset. 100 pitch speed is insanely unrealstic yet your unwilling to try something else.
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                      • brrmikey
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                        • Aug 2005
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                        #26
                        Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                        Originally posted by Blzer
                        I personally do not want to sacrifice real pitch speeds just to be able to read and react to a pitch.

                        I've been baseball gaming for years, and whenever there is a slider or option to raise pitch speed to the highest speed, I have been able to, and I've had zero problems reading and reacting to a 98 MPH fastball. That said, this game has terrible lag with swinging after having commanded a swing. I consider it maybe a quarter-second delay, and that is a LONG delay. It should be instantly responsive, yet it's not. It's not just me, either. Like I said, I've been gaming long enough that I've used the fastest pitch speeds in the game forever, and I know when there's a noticeable lag (which there is). I think this is the worst problem about all of them.
                        I have the PS3 version (I hear it has the worst frame rate). But, I don't have any lag when it comes to swinging (online is great too)...are you sure it's not the tv you played it on. I have an older model hitachi rear projection 1080i/720p...I've heard of DLP lag...haven't seen it in person though.

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                        • Chitown1211
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                          • Nov 2004
                          • 762

                          #27
                          Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                          Originally posted by brrmikey
                          I have the PS3 version (I hear it has the worst frame rate). But, I don't have any lag when it comes to swinging (online is great too)...are you sure it's not the tv you played it on. I have an older model hitachi rear projection 1080i/720p...I've heard of DLP lag...haven't seen it in person though.

                          I dont notice lag either. I just didnt want to get into that argument.
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                          • baa7
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                            • Jul 2004
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                            #28
                            Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                            Originally posted by Chitown1211
                            50 was meant to SIM real life pitch speeds. Going above 50 is above normal and below 50 is below normal. Going above 50 is just adding unrealstic speed to make hitting more difficult.
                            Again, what are you talking about, and where exactly did you get this info? Pitch speed at 50 isn't anywhere near close to the actual speed of pitches. 50 pitch speed is the equivalant of little league pitch speeds. 100 is getting close, but even then it's still too slow compared to pitches thrown by MLB pitchers.

                            I'm not against changing my sliders, but playing a baseball game with pitches coming in the same speed a 10 year old pitches at, isn't what I'd call very challenging.

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                            • quaziemoto3
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                              • Nov 2003
                              • 824

                              #29
                              Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                              In the few games that I have played, I find that the lack of a serviceable check swing option really intensifies the inability to read pitches.
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                              • baa7
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                                • Jul 2004
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                                #30
                                Re: Reading pitches is starting to really frustrate me!

                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                I personally do not want to sacrifice real pitch speeds just to be able to read and react to a pitch.

                                I've been baseball gaming for years, and whenever there is a slider or option to raise pitch speed to the highest speed, I have been able to, and I've had zero problems reading and reacting to a 98 MPH fastball.
                                EXACTLY. Thank you.
                                Originally posted by Blzer
                                That said, this game has terrible lag with swinging after having commanded a swing. I consider it maybe a quarter-second delay, and that is a LONG delay. It should be instantly responsive, yet it's not. It's not just me, either. Like I said, I've been gaming long enough that I've used the fastest pitch speeds in the game forever, and I know when there's a noticeable lag (which there is). I think this is the worst problem about all of them.
                                You talking about button swinging? Because the swing stick seems fine. Yeah, HH 04 had that swing lag as well - had to start your swing around the same time the CPU pitcher was juggling the rosin bag behind the mound.

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