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  • Husker_OS
    Champs
    • Jun 2003
    • 21459

    #1

    Tips Using The Swing Stick??

    I'm about ready to sell this damn game. I'm using the swing stick and my hitting is just atrocious. I've logged 19 total games and have 1 HR. I've yet to win a game. I've scored multiple runs twice. My high score is 4. Its so frustrating to lose these 1-0 or 2-0 games so much. How did you guys figure out hitting? I tried the patience thing and that didn't work. I've tried locking into a certain part of the plate and that's failed. Does the step timing really matter?
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  • Kramer5150
    Medicore Mike
    • Dec 2002
    • 7394

    #2
    Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

    I had the exact same problems as you...lol. So don't feel bad.
    What has helped me tremendously though....
    1-Turn down the "step influence" slider. Maybe not all the way,but low enough to get comfortable with the hitting.
    2-I also turned down "pitch speed"...this will help with differentiating balls and strikes.

    I also went into the hr derby. This helped with getting the "nuances" of the swingstick down....as an example, Down and roll to the right,to attempt a shot down the line,down and up right,to shoot the ball to right field,and so on. Obviously it's going to be the opposite for going to left field.

    Give it a shot dude....trust me,you'll get the hang of it. It also depends on the sliders you are using as well.
    I'm currently using a set from "pokerlife"...I think thats his name..lol. and am getting great results with them.
    I just lowered the step influence some for my liking,and am seeing alot of variety in hits.
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    • Bat
      what
      • Mar 2005
      • 1630

      #3
      Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

      The most important thing I have noticed is pulling back right when the pitcher is about to release the ball then instead of pushing forward push to a side. It takes alittle getting used to but when your in a rhythm you will start to crush the ball. Also adjust the sliders..

      I am having a awful time with pitching. I hit most my pitches and don't throw many meat pitches but still everything gets hammered. I rarely see balls hit on the ground.. everything is deep flies (one game today with only 2 balls hit on the ground.. they scored 24 runs!). I have even used precision and get the same results.I haven't had a game where the computer has scored less than 10-11 runs. I don't know if its my controller or what.. I am pretty good at baseball games except for this in the pitching department. I am about to give up on this dang game.
      Last edited by Bat; 03-14-2008, 02:11 AM.
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      • Kramer5150
        Medicore Mike
        • Dec 2002
        • 7394

        #4
        Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

        Originally posted by Bat9th
        The most important thing I have noticed is pulling back right when the pitcher is about to release the ball then instead of pushing forward push to a side. It takes alittle getting used to but when your in a rhythm you will start to crush the ball. Also adjust the sliders..
        Dude....everytime I tried that,I would always get the "late step" or "very late" notification...lol.
        For the notification not to show up,I had to get it timed right when he was finishing his leg kick.

        Originally posted by Bat9th
        I am having a awful time with pitching. I hit most my pitches and don't throw many meat pitches but still everything gets hammered. I rarely see balls hit on the ground.. everything is deep flies (one game today with only 2 balls hit on the ground.. they scored 24 runs!). I have even used precision and get the same results.I haven't had a game where the computer has scored less than 10-11 runs. I don't know if its my controller or what.. I am pretty good at baseball games except for this in the pitching department. I am about to give up on this dang game.
        That's strange....like I was saying earlier,with Pokerlife's sliders I have seen tons of hit variety from the cpu as well as myself.

        I played 2 games last night,the first against the Cubs (I was the Dodgers) and got blasted 14-4 ...this was after I took a 3-0 lead in the first inning. They absolutely killed me with every type of hit you could imagine.
        The second game I played was against the Cardinals,(again I was the Dodgers) and I won 7-4. Again....I'm getting a great variety of hits,I'm also seeing alot of grounders from the cpu,as well as some nice shots down the line.
        I hope you can find the right balance.....
        People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
        “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
        “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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        • Bat
          what
          • Mar 2005
          • 1630

          #5
          Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

          Originally posted by CowherPower
          Dude....everytime I tried that,I would always get the "late step" or "very late" notification...lol.
          For the notification not to show up,I had to get it timed right when he was finishing his leg kick.



          That's strange....like I was saying earlier,with Pokerlife's sliders I have seen tons of hit variety from the cpu as well as myself.

          I played 2 games last night,the first against the Cubs (I was the Dodgers) and got blasted 14-4 ...this was after I took a 3-0 lead in the first inning. They absolutely killed me with every type of hit you could imagine.
          The second game I played was against the Cardinals,(again I was the Dodgers) and I won 7-4. Again....I'm getting a great variety of hits,I'm also seeing alot of grounders from the cpu,as well as some nice shots down the line.
          I hope you can find the right balance.....
          Yeah I know what you mean about the step part. I usually pull back right before he lets go. I sometimes get the late step response though. I spent a good while trying to figure out the whole step thing to avoid seeing the message and basically got it no matter what I did. So then I just went with what got results.

          Yeah I don't understand the lack of hit variety I am seeing from the computer. I hit alot of grounders myself and everyone tells me they see alot of grounders. Not me though. Low sinkers, sliders, curves are all getting sent to nearly the warning track every time. I do the full gesture till its in the outer ring then do the second one and let go when it reaches the small circle. The little green circle blinks or whatever showing I hit my pitch and my gesture score is often around 92. I have even seen this on Pro too. It is very frustrating. Like i said my last game I gave up 14 runs to the Royals on Pro difficulty! lol.. Thats just not right.
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          • Hoos
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 3998

            #6
            Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

            Originally posted by CowherPower
            I had the exact same problems as you...lol. So don't feel bad.
            What has helped me tremendously though....
            1-Turn down the "step influence" slider. Maybe not all the way,but low enough to get comfortable with the hitting.
            2-I also turned down "pitch speed"...this will help with differentiating balls and strikes.

            I also went into the hr derby. This helped with getting the "nuances" of the swingstick down....as an example, Down and roll to the right,to attempt a shot down the line,down and up right,to shoot the ball to right field,and so on. Obviously it's going to be the opposite for going to left field.

            Give it a shot dude....trust me,you'll get the hang of it. It also depends on the sliders you are using as well.
            I'm currently using a set from "pokerlife"...I think thats his name..lol. and am getting great results with them.
            I just lowered the step influence some for my liking,and am seeing alot of variety in hits.
            I agree with all of this. I was getting frustrated with the hitting as well but it was mostly because I was missing my timing on the step prior to swinging. Spending some time in HR Derby went a long way to help me. It was like a light went off at a certain point while playing HR Derby and I started launching bombs galore

            When I returned to regular exhibition games, I had to adjust my sliders because I was hitting EVERYTHING coming at me.

            Basically, I start the step (pull stick back) mechanic when the pitcher in his stretch, just before releasing the ball. I also have the swing feedback activated to I can see if I was early or late.

            Give HR Derby a shot, it will help :wink:
            Last edited by Hoos; 03-14-2008, 03:41 AM.
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            • Kramer5150
              Medicore Mike
              • Dec 2002
              • 7394

              #7
              Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

              Originally posted by Bat9th
              Yeah I know what you mean about the step part. I usually pull back right before he lets go. I sometimes get the late step response though. I spent a good while trying to figure out the whole step thing to avoid seeing the message and basically got it no matter what I did. So then I just went with what got results.
              lol....that's pretty much what I've started doing as well. I try to ignore the notices and go with what feel right. Sometimes it works and others it doesn't..lol

              Originally posted by Bat9th
              Yeah I don't understand the lack of hit variety I am seeing from the computer. I hit alot of grounders myself and everyone tells me they see alot of grounders. Not me though. Low sinkers, sliders, curves are all getting sent to nearly the warning track every time. I do the full gesture till its in the outer ring then do the second one and let go when it reaches the small circle. The little green circle blinks or whatever showing I hit my pitch and my gesture score is often around 92. I have even seen this on Pro too. It is very frustrating. Like i said my last game I gave up 14 runs to the Royals on Pro difficulty! lol.. Thats just not right.
              ....wow. That's crazy,lol. The only thing I do as far as pitching goes,is I let my catcher call the game,and mix up my effort (I guess that's what's it's called)...in other words,sometimes I won't even let the first circle get to the outside ring,especially if I'm throwing a pitch that I want to break alot (curve or sinker)

              The only time I put alot of effort into the pitch,is when I want to spot a fastball. Especially if it's in tight.
              People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
              “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
              “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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              • Bat
                what
                • Mar 2005
                • 1630

                #8
                Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                Originally posted by CowherPower
                lol....that's pretty much what I've started doing as well. I try to ignore the notices and go with what feel right. Sometimes it works and others it doesn't..lol



                ....wow. That's crazy,lol. The only thing I do as far as pitching goes,is I let my catcher call the game,and mix up my effort (I guess that's what's it's called)...in other words,sometimes I won't even let the first circle get to the outside ring,especially if I'm throwing a pitch that I want to break alot (curve or sinker)

                The only time I put alot of effort into the pitch,is when I want to spot a fastball. Especially if it's in tight.
                Yeah I hear ya.. I have basically tried everything. Sometimes I have not let it get to the outer ring them sometimes I do.. I try groundball inducing pitches.. It is weird when I first got the game I started on Pro just to test it out and was owning the computer having 12+ K games. I think I need to be sent down to the minors to get my game back lol. I doubt it is my controller but I remember my friend was playing with my 2nd controller and doing good then used the first one for some reason and struggled. I don't think its that though since I am hitting my spots.. but its a better excuse than saying I just suck.

                I played alot of games on Pro with the rosters edited to get cards and was winning games 45-0.. I wonder if the VIP takes into consideration my statistics and wants to get even lol.
                Last edited by Bat; 03-14-2008, 03:10 AM.
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                • Kramer5150
                  Medicore Mike
                  • Dec 2002
                  • 7394

                  #9
                  Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                  Originally posted by Bat9th
                  Yeah I hear ya.. I have basically tried everything. Sometimes I have not let it get to the outer ring them sometimes I do.. I try groundball inducing pitches.. It is weird when I first got the game I started on Pro just to test it out and was owning the computer having 12+ K games. I think I need to be sent down to the minors to get my game back lol. I doubt it is my controller but I remember my friend was playing with my 2nd controller and doing good then used the first one for some reason and struggled. I don't think its that though since I am hitting my spots.. but its a better excuse than saying I just suck.

                  I played alot of games on Pro with the rosters edited to get cards and was winning games 45-0.. I wonder if the VIP takes into consideration my statistics and wants to get even lol.
                  . I know it's the most common answer...but it may be time for some MAJOR slider adjustments..lol
                  I feel confident in saying that those issues can be remedied,it's all a matter of finding what works.
                  I know the process of finding them can be a pain in the ***...lol
                  But when you do find them,it's all the more satisfying.

                  My first suggestion may be to try pokerlifes. I know it may sound like I'm pimping these (which isn't my intention) but I feel they play pretty good,and give a wide variety of hits.
                  Also...if these don't work give BF'njoe's a shot,he has been getting good input on his as well. Plus there's alot of user input regarding certain changes.
                  People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
                  “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
                  “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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                  • Bat
                    what
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 1630

                    #10
                    Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                    Originally posted by CowherPower
                    . I know it's the most common answer...but it may be time for some MAJOR slider adjustments..lol
                    I feel confident in saying that those issues can be remedied,it's all a matter of finding what works.
                    I know the process of finding them can be a pain in the ***...lol
                    But when you do find them,it's all the more satisfying.

                    My first suggestion may be to try pokerlifes. I know it may sound like I'm pimping these (which isn't my intention) but I feel they play pretty good,and give a wide variety of hits.
                    Also...if these don't work give BF'njoe's a shot,he has been getting good input on his as well. Plus there's alot of user input regarding certain changes.
                    Yeah I have been messing with them. I keep lowering the computers hitting little by little. I am just being stubborn to the fact that I am doing something wrong or something and am going to figure it out.. but I will keep editing the sliders till I get it the way I like it.

                    I will check out the sliders you mentioned though
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                    • pokerlife
                      Pro
                      • Jan 2008
                      • 691

                      #11
                      Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                      thanks for the kind words cowher // By the way what do you have step influence set at
                      Also heres a link for my sliders to that guy not seeing good games http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d.php?t=242215

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                      • Kramer5150
                        Medicore Mike
                        • Dec 2002
                        • 7394

                        #12
                        Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                        Originally posted by pokerlife
                        thanks for the kind words cowher // By the way what do you have step influence set at
                        Also heres a link for my sliders to that guy not seeing good games http://www.operationsports.com/forum...d.php?t=242215
                        IIRC.....I THINK I have it around 10-15. I can't remember exactly,but I do believe it's around there. Actually having alot of nice hit variety as well. I haven't touched my hitting sliders,I did lower cpu power by 5 though with IE off. The Cubs game I played,they were killing EVERYTHING..lol I made the changes after that game,then played the Cardinals,and everything felt better. They still got their hits,but only 1 hr,so I was happy with that.
                        People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
                        “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
                        “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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                        • echotripper76
                          Rookie
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 103

                          #13
                          Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                          Yeah I don't understand the lack of hit variety I am seeing from the computer. I hit alot of grounders myself and everyone tells me they see alot of grounders. Not me though. Low sinkers, sliders, curves are all getting sent to nearly the warning track every time. I do the full gesture till its in the outer ring then do the second one and let go when it reaches the small circle. The little green circle blinks or whatever showing I hit my pitch and my gesture score is often around 92. I have even seen this on Pro too. It is very frustrating. Like i said my last game I gave up 14 runs to the Royals on Pro difficulty! lol.. Thats just not right.
                          I had this problem too, and still do occasionally.

                          One thing to consider is: if all of your pitches are down, batters will lock in on that regardless of whether or not they are fastballs or breaking balls. The end result will be big offensive numbers for their offense. You have to mix it up occasionally.

                          I too struggled with the idea of throwing a high breaking ball or fastballs up and away due to being afraid they would be crushed. I mean, conventional wisdom of baseball dictates that keeping the ball down as a pitcher yields better results.

                          Still an occasional breaking pitch up and in will keep the AI on it's toes!

                          As far as the swing stick goes, I turned off the indicator because it seemed to get into my "kitchen" too much and take me out of my at bat.

                          Instead, I focus on the pitcher's wind up and get his motion down...after that i can get good results.
                          Last edited by echotripper76; 03-14-2008, 09:28 PM.

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                          • Bat
                            what
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 1630

                            #14
                            Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                            Originally posted by echotripper76
                            I had this problem too, and still do occasionally.

                            One thing to consider is: if all of your pitches are down, batters will lock in on that regardless of whether or not they are fastballs or breaking balls. The end result will be big offensive numbers for their offense. You have to mix it up occasionally.

                            I too struggled with the idea of throwing a high breaking ball or fastballs up and away due to being afraid they would be crushed. I mean, conventional wisdom of baseball dictates that keeping the ball down as a pitcher yields better results.

                            Still an occasional breaking pitch up and in will keep the AI on it's toes!

                            As far as the swing stick goes, I turned off the indicator because it seemed to get into my "kitchen" too much and take me out of my at bat.

                            Instead, I focus on the pitcher's wind up and get his motion down...after that i can get good results.
                            Thanks for the response. I do mix up my locations pitching alot. I pitch up as well as down, in and outside all the time. I just mentioned sinkers and sliders down because those are especially groundball inducing pitches.

                            Thats interesting you turned off the indicator for pitching.. I might try that just to see how it goes.
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                            • Kramer5150
                              Medicore Mike
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 7394

                              #15
                              Re: Tips Using The Swing Stick??

                              Originally posted by echotripper76
                              One thing to consider is: if all of your pitches are down, batters will lock in on that regardless of whether or not they are fastballs or breaking balls. The end result will be big offensive numbers for their offense. You have to mix it up occasionally.
                              I've often thought about that as well. I think that's why I let my catcher call the game,and hope he does a good job...lol
                              Sometimes I question his "logic"...but what I'm seeing is this actually will throw the batter off.
                              I like that he'll call for a pitch high and tight,to get the batter thinking one way...then his next call will be for something low and away. I've gotten alot of called 3rd strikes on that..lol


                              Originally posted by echotripper76
                              As far as the swing stick goes, I turned off the indicator because it seemed to get into my "kitchen" too much and take me out of my at bat.

                              Instead, I focus on the pitcher's wind up and get his motion down...after that i can get good results.
                              I've though about doing this as well....I'm tired of seeing "late step" or "very late step"...lol
                              People are for reviews if it backs their argument, and against them when they don't.
                              “I believe the game is designed to reward the ones who hit the hardest – If you can’t take it, you shouldn’t play!” Jack Lambert
                              “Quarterbacks should wear dresses.” Jack Lambert

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