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  • SoxFan01605
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    • Jan 2008
    • 7982

    #31
    Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - If the name bank feature works this year, that's one feature that works in 2K's favor, not only compared to The Show, but compared to every other publisher on the market.

    Not sure I understand this one. Unless you're talking of something else, Don't most games have a name bank nowadays? Plus, The Show has this as well AND the developers actually have been taking up lists the last couple years trying to get our names in the database as well. Pretty cool, IMO.

    In either case, I do agree that a good name bank is a plus for any game.


    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - I've never been a fan of the right-analog pitching myself (prefer the classic option) but I've grown to love the Swing Stick and won't go back to button hitting anytime soon, unless I decide to fire up the old Xbox and give MVP2005 a whirl.

    Yeah, the controls in general are a BIG draw for this game. It's really the biggest sticking point for a lot of people (love or hate). I know many who base there decision )all things functioning of course) on control scheme.

    I love the pitching, but not the clunky indications. We'll see if the new zone system gets me more into the swing stick. The throw meter is awesome, IMO.


    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - RTLW and Virtual Director, definitely. Don't get me wrong, I love the cutscenes in The Show (especially the "bored player" cutscenes when you leave the controller idle), but 2K has stepped it up BIG TIME in this department. Give it one more year and MLB 2K may just surpass ESPN NFL 2K5 in terms of presentation.

    Yup. This, to me is probably the biggest improvement this year. It looks fantastic. The cutaways, full and "lifelike" dugouts and bullpens really add to the immersion.

    The crowd is much improved too and I actually think it has less repeats than The Show (at least form what I've seen in The Show's demo).


    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - Alternate and retro uniforms. I know, pretty trivial thing to compare, but 2K has a lot of them. Oh well, had to bring it up.

    Not sure how much of a plus this is for 2K. I think the issue with The Show was more not being able to select them over what they have. That's changed for 09, so we'll see.


    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - Early to tell from this point, but commentary could be a big deal. The Show may have a slight edge here because of the space of Blu-Ray Discs and the amount of commentary Sony can stuff onto one. Gary and Steve, though, are tremendous...so far. Lots of informative and substantial stuff.

    This is one that I think may become a hot point of debate down the road. The Show's commentary is very deep, has a low rate of repetition (comparitively to other games and considering the constant chatter of baseball announcers) and Matty V. sounds great.

    The trouble it's always had (IMO) is that it feels disjointed and not like a virtual "booth." Dave and Rex only chime in and their commentary is shallow. It's matt that carries it, for sure.

    The commentary thus far in 2K9 sounds VERY promising. Gary sounds excellent and Phillips actually does as well (remember, I hate him...lol). They actually have a good flow between them as well as following the game it seems.

    I really like the fluidity of the cutoffs when "gwtting back to the action." It's a small thing, but adds so much when done right. It appears to be the case with 2K9.

    The question (and as you said, disc space could become an issue here) is repetition. A lot of the lines about players and situations seem very specific from what I've heard thus far. This is nice while previewing, but might become a festival of "SHUT UP ALREADY" down the road...lol. Time will tell on that.

    Anyway, I really dig the small sample of commentary from 2K9


    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - Minor league integration in 2K8 had the edge, but only having the AAA teams playable in 2K9 is a drawback. It also helps that Minor League stadiums are in the game as well.
    This is another mixed bag for me. I think the minors now matter more in The Show due to the new roster control upgrades (waiver, 40 man, etc). Plus the lack of playable minors below AAA in 2K9 is kind of a letdown.

    2K9 does go down to A ball though (well single A, I mean) while The Show only gets to AA. Plus the real minor league stadiums in 2K9 are a big plus, IMO.


    Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
    - Crowd chatter is MUCH better in 2K7 and 2K8 (haven't heard it yet this year). Yes, another trivial point, but whenever I hear something like "Double-A Betemit!", "Hey, hit it to Windsor!" or "You're a traitor, Damon!", I start laughing my arse off.
    I think this will be an overwhelming advantage for The Show. The customized chant creator allows for full stadium chants to be implemented (hello "Yankees Suck" ) and individual heckles and cheers for each player (up to 3 of each, I believe).

    A lot of customization with that feature and it should be a blast to see what the community comes up with.


    Anyway, I think the important thing people should realize about this discussion, is that if 2K9 really shows improvement and does well, BOTH games will benefit. The developers of The Show have already taken notice of the control schemes in 2K9, for example.

    Think about your favorite of the two for a moment and imagine them with some interpretation of the strong points of the other title. Sounds dreamy to me...lol.
    Last edited by SoxFan01605; 02-14-2009, 07:49 PM. Reason: clarifying, spelling

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    • CarryTheWeight
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      • Jul 2002
      • 1792

      #32
      Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

      I guess I was unclear about the name bank...it's where you can select a pre-recorded first and last name for created and edited players, and both the PA Announcer and play-by-play will pick up on it. I don't know what Sony's plans are this year, but their name bank last year only had last names whereas 2K's (in NBA, NHL and, MLB) included first and last names. I've always loved the feature, though, as seen in my post, and despite how close EA and Sony get it, I think 2K's has the widest variety of possible combinations and the best execution.

      Those who were big CHoops fans know and love that namebank, as that game had at least 80-90% of most teams' players included.
      Last edited by CarryTheWeight; 02-14-2009, 03:14 PM.
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      • SoxFan01605
        All Star
        • Jan 2008
        • 7982

        #33
        Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

        Originally posted by CarryTheWeight
        I guess I was unclear about the name bank...it's where you can select a pre-recorded first and last name for created and edited players, and both the PA Announcer and play-by-play will pick up on it. I don't know what Sony's plans are this year, but their name bank last year only had last names whereas 2K's (in NBA, NHL and, MLB) included first and last names. I've always loved the feature, though, as seen in my post, and despite how close EA and Sony get it, I think 2K's has the widest variety of possible combinations and the best execution.
        Okay, I gotcha. Sony did add the first names. I still love the fact that they tried to get some of their fans added by request as well (though I'm disappointed I missed the cutoff this year).

        You're right though, 2K has had a good list going for some time now. Not sure of the totals comparatively.

        And I agree about CHoops...very disappointed that they stopped making it and their namebank was quite good.

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        • RogueHominid
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2006
          • 10900

          #34
          Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

          Co-sign with Soxfan on the benefits of competition. I played The Show last year and was very impressed by the triggering of low-rate-of-replay cutscenes and commentary lines, but this whole real world thing has immediately changed the game for everyone. I think this will be the new standard, and how much cooler will that make things for fans of The Show!

          2K can benefit from the cleaner look of the overlays. Even though SCEA seems to have noticed what 2K is doing, I can't help but think that if they implement some more advanced pitching mechanics a la 2K the SCEA version will be less garish.

          I love the pitching controls, but the big circles are ugly as hell, lol.

          I have to say that the more vids I watch of 2K, the more impressed I am. I'm not sure I like how the pitches look, though. It was hard to tell from the vids, but I wasn't sure that breaking balls looked different enough from fastballs, in terms of break and speed.

          Has anyone else noticed this?

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          • SoxFan01605
            All Star
            • Jan 2008
            • 7982

            #35
            Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

            Originally posted by The Autumn Wind
            Co-sign with Soxfan on the benefits of competition. I played The Show last year and was very impressed by the triggering of low-rate-of-replay cutscenes and commentary lines, but this whole real world thing has immediately changed the game for everyone. I think this will be the new standard, and how much cooler will that make things for fans of The Show!

            2K can benefit from the cleaner look of the overlays. Even though SCEA seems to have noticed what 2K is doing, I can't help but think that if they implement some more advanced pitching mechanics a la 2K the SCEA version will be less garish.

            I love the pitching controls, but the big circles are ugly as hell, lol.

            I have to say that the more vids I watch of 2K, the more impressed I am. I'm not sure I like how the pitches look, though. It was hard to tell from the vids, but I wasn't sure that breaking balls looked different enough from fastballs, in terms of break and speed.

            Has anyone else noticed this?
            Agreed. One of the main benefits of competition is the "one-upsmanship" that allows rivals to improve upon the original concepts. We'll see how it plays out.

            As for the pitches, I've noticed that too. They haven't all been that way, but it may be the gesturing is off by those playing, causing the lack of good break. I don't recall that really being an issue in the past (in fact, I think some thought the breaks were too exxagerated) so I'm not too concerned yet in that regard.

            One thing is also, the fastballs have never looked fast on this game...even with pitch speed turned up (though it is better than default by a fair margin). That might be part of it too.

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            • NEWYORICAN
              Banned
              • Feb 2003
              • 735

              #36
              Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

              I have to think hard to see what 2K does better then the Show. There is something, maybe funfactor? The recent 2K BB games have been horrible (2K6/2K8)..except for 2K7, 2K3 and 2K4, maybe 2K5. These were fun baseball games.

              I especially loved ESPN 2K4 the best!..it had great gameplay and a better TV presentation like the Out of Town scorboard ticker at the bottom of the screen while playing. It not only showed other teams scores of your franchise games but specific infomation of trades, firing of managers, free agent signings, important milestone, etc. This was on the regular Xbox/PS2!!. I feel like the NextGen consoles took a step back on these little baseball details....bummer!


              peace
              Ernesto

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              • Pared
                Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #37
                Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                Originally posted by The Autumn Wind
                Co-sign with Soxfan on the benefits of competition. I played The Show last year and was very impressed by the triggering of low-rate-of-replay cutscenes and commentary lines, but this whole real world thing has immediately changed the game for everyone. I think this will be the new standard, and how much cooler will that make things for fans of The Show!
                It's definitely unique and I can't wait to see it cleaned up.

                I mean, do guys what them to copy the Show's cutscenes? I don't want to play two games that copy off each other.

                They can innovate on their own terms... and once they tighten the very minor nitpicks people are making about this feature, it should be the standard in sports gaming.
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                • mayers9111
                  Rookie
                  • Feb 2009
                  • 95

                  #38
                  Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                  both games promises to be excellent

                  the show 09 is overcast , sytem hours and temperature .

                  I am a buyer for the two sets

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                  • Tomba
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                    • Sep 2006
                    • 8908

                    #39
                    Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                    Originally posted by jeffy777
                    If you don't even think there is one thing that's definitely better, then you obviously haven't looked at it in a fair light. As we said, even just the customizable pitching/batting cams are certainly better. There isn't anyone who wouldn't want that added to The Show.

                    NO I AGREE the camera angles ARE better YES


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                    • larma
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 308

                      #40
                      Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                      Originally posted by Pared
                      It's definitely unique and I can't wait to see it cleaned up.

                      I mean, do guys what them to copy the Show's cutscenes? I don't want to play two games that copy off each other.

                      They can innovate on their own terms... and once they tighten the very minor nitpicks people are making about this feature, it should be the standard in sports gaming.
                      I agree with this 100 percent. I usually buy both games so I want and expect to see two different approaches. So far both games look great and seem to be doing their own thing.

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                      • RedSoxFox7
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 252

                        #41
                        Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                        Whore themselves to Pepsi advertising.

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                        • reddog01
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2009
                          • 55

                          #42
                          Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                          I don't like the adjustable cam for pitching and batting for this reason only, they probably won't be changeable online and then its like starting all over again. different angles make the pitch alot harder to hit I find personally

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                          • playball11
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 84

                            #43
                            Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                            MLB 2k9 has Home Run Derby and probably classic stadiums - no where to be found on MLB The Show 09.

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                            • wrigleyville33
                              Pro
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 895

                              #44
                              Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                              Originally posted by playball
                              MLB 2k9 has Home Run Derby and probably classic stadiums - no where to be found on MLB The Show 09.
                              Wrong. Classic stadiums are in. Home Run Derby isn't much of a factor imo, as I would probably just sim over it anyways. The only upside 2k has imo, is that it will offer a pc version. 2k is getting on track, but it still appeals to me to more of an arcade game rather than a simulation.

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                              • acarrero
                                Pro
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 432

                                #45
                                Re: Things MLB 2k does better than the Show?

                                I know what I'm getting with the Show in the batting + pitching dept, and it works, but it might start to get boring these days. With 2K, it could be more fun, I love analog batting and how they're combining it this year with zone hitting and a cursor. While the controls for 2k are more "next-gen", the past couple of 2K games did not have the best baseball "feel", while The Show is solid there. We'll see. Also, the animations are much better in The Show. 2K has the "inside edge" which people barely mention, but it's pretty hardcore in theory, basically the players have their true strengths and weaknesses.

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