Re: Thoughts on Cursor Hitting

[baa7]

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I don't know why people are having a hard time understanding Blzer on this. There is a distinct difference between zone hitting (like High Heat) and cursor (like many others).

Regardless, it's unclear if VC added cursor hitting, or zone hitting with a visible bat cursor/assist. And given VC has stated it's zone hitting, I'm more inclined to believe it's the latter.

[Trevytrev11]

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If the cursor/bat does not in fact have to be in contact with the ball, but either in the correct zone or general area, wouldn't that be considered Zone hitting with just a visual aid?

I believe we have one pitch that was put in play to go on on From the Giants/D-backs video Steve posted yesterday.

-If the cursor/bat has to contact the ball-then I believe it is cursor hitting mislabled as zone.

-If the cursor/bat does not actually have to come into contact with the ball, then I beleive Zone would be the proper term.

[baa7]

Re: Thoughts on Cursor Hitting

If the cursor/bat does not in fact have to be in contact with the ball, but either in the correct zone or general area, wouldn't that be considered Zone hitting with just a visual aid?

I believe we have one pitch that was put in play to go on on From the Giants/D-backs video Steve posted yesterday.

-If the cursor/bat has to contact the ball-then I believe it is cursor hitting mislabled as zone.

-If the cursor/bat does not actually have to come into contact with the ball, then I beleive Zone would be the proper term.

Trev, the thing is and I pointed this out already, one just has to move the contact slider up and anything in the general vicinity of the bat will result in contact. It all depends on that.

[CMH]

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Either way, if you ignore sliders, Trev is right on.

VC keeps saying it's zone. It's called zone in the options. VC says you have to move the visual aid in the "ball's zone" with a slight boost if you could actually match up the sweet spot with the ball.

It sounds like zone more so than cursor, but it's not exactly zone either because it has cursor elements (the sweet spot boost). I think it's more of a love child between the two. But since you don't have to line up the bat with the ball, it's like zone's evil twin. Or good twin. We don't know if this system is better yet.

[Padgoi]

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If the cursor in 2K9 looked like that, I'd use it. But no way I'm using the Glowing Phallus. It's not only stupid-looking, it's embasrrassing. I wouldn't be caught dead playing a baseball game while using something like that.

Just to add my 2 cents:

1. If it truly was zone hitting with the cursor there specifically for assistance, wouldn't it be common sense that the bat cursor would "snap" into the zone you are aiming? The fact that it's a free-roaming cursor leads me to believe it's cursor hitting labeled as zone, HOWEVER, there will probably be some leeway in terms of actually placing the cursor on the ball. Hard to explain really. I think it's kinda like zone hitting, but if you actually have the cursor on the ball, contact will be more solid (though it can still result in a hard hit out).

2. For the quote above, you won't play with this cursor hitting because . . . it's yellow? Because it's embarrassing? No offense but who are you trying to impress? It's a video game. Use it if you want to, don't if you don't, not because you're embarrassed of it. No offense, but it sounds like you're trying to fabricate criticisms of the game before you play it.

[Alai]

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If the cursor in 2K9 looked like that, I'd use it. But no way I'm using the Glowing Phallus. It's not only stupid-looking, it's embasrrassing. I wouldn't be caught dead playing a baseball game while using something like that.

Same here baa. I need as less clutter around the kzone as possible when at bat.

I even wish that pitcher become fuzzy as the ball is being pitched. I know that might be unrealistic, but could be a cool presentation and even more emphasis on reading the pitched ball.

[baa7]

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2. For the quote above, you won't play with this cursor hitting because . . . it's yellow? Because it's embarrassing?

LOL. A sense of humor helps if you're going to try and intrepret other peoples' posts. The bat is fugly, yes. It's as poorly designed as the hideous yellow pitch target. I'm guessing VC designed those icons for people who are sight-impaired. Although given they built a four-story billboard in Wrigley and pasted a State Farm ad on it, maybe it's them. Maybe they just don't understand the meaning of tacky.

[baa7]

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I even wish that pitcher become fuzzy as the ball is being pitched. I know that might be unrealistic, but could be a cool presentation and even more emphasis on reading the pitched ball.

If you think about it, when you focus on something like a ball coming at you, everything else in view fades away into a sort of fuzzy nothingness. So your idea doesn't sound unrealistic to me at all.

[brendanrfoley]

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I just noticed there's a Zone Hitting Influence slider. I wonder what that is?

[Trevytrev11]

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. I think it's more of a love child between the two.

So is it:

Cune
Cone
Curone
Zorsor
Zursor

I like Zorsor... the new Zorsor hitting system in MLB 2K8!

[Trevytrev11]

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Just to add my 2 cents:

1. If it truly was zone hitting with the cursor there specifically for assistance, wouldn't it be common sense that the bat cursor would "snap" into the zone you are aiming? The fact that it's a free-roaming cursor leads me to believe it's cursor hitting labeled as zone, HOWEVER, there will probably be some leeway in terms of actually placing the cursor on the ball. Hard to explain really. I think it's kinda like zone hitting, but if you actually have the cursor on the ball, contact will be more solid (though it can still result in a hard hit out).

I think you nailed it here. When I think zone, I think I'm choosing one and only one of the nine zones. With this system, it seems like you can obviously overlap. But the word zone is pretty generic and can basically mean "general area" of the pitch. I think when people think cursor, they think they have to pinpoint the cursor over the pitch, this is probably more foregiving...but if that is the case all it means is that it is basically cursor and they are just hiding some of it.

If they are showing you an icon that is the roughly the size of the bat, but the hitting area really goes 50% beyond that, then in reality it's a cursor and they are just hiding part of it.

It'd be nice to maybe see some BP with this so that we could get an idea of it's limitations and capabilities in action. To see what kind of margin of error it allows and to see how lined up you have to be to get the boost.

[Alai]

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If you think about it, when you focus on something like a ball coming at you, everything else in view fades away into a sort of fuzzy nothingness. So your idea doesn't sound unrealistic to me at all.

The more I think about it, I think it could be a great addition for future baseball releases. It could also help with the problem when the ball sort of disappears into the pitcher when facing submariner or sidearmers.

[Blzer]

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If the cursor/bat does not in fact have to be in contact with the ball, but either in the correct zone or general area, wouldn't that be considered Zone hitting with just a visual aid?

I believe we have one pitch that was put in play to go on on From the Giants/D-backs video Steve posted yesterday.

-If the cursor/bat has to contact the ball-then I believe it is cursor hitting mislabled as zone.

-If the cursor/bat does not actually have to come into contact with the ball, then I beleive Zone would be the proper term.

I haven't read any posts after this one, so I'm sorry if I've skipped what has already been answered, but I'm in a bit of a rush.

Basically, unless what baa said is true about the sweet spot (only being cosmetic and nothing more), then I can't see this as being true. Because just remember, in most all games (Power Pros included), matching up the ball with the sweet spot gives you a power hit. So are you saying that, if this were the case, there would be a very small number of powerful hits? Or are you thinking that the sweet spot means very little (if anything) and just getting it in the correct "zone" would be good enough?

Again, the only real flaw with what you all are saying is that it's tough to get around the corner zones because you have to be very pressure-sensitive and not fling it out of the strike zone, which would be very hard to do.

[jeffy777]

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Basically, unless what baa said is true about the sweet spot (only being cosmetic and nothing more), then I can't see this as being true. Because just remember, in most all games (Power Pros included), matching up the ball with the sweet spot gives you a power hit.

I'm pretty sure the preview articles confirmed that lining up the sweet spot gives you a power hit, so I don't think the sweet spot on the screen is merely cosmetic.

[Trevytrev11]

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I'm pretty sure the preview articles confirmed that lining up the sweet spot gives you a power hit, so I don't think the sweet spot on the screen is merely cosmetic.

I wonder if the sweet spot (and bat icon) vary in size by player. If not, what makes it easier to make contact with the ball with Jason Kendall than with Ryan Howard? And what when contact is made, what makes it easier to hit a ball harder with Ryan Howard than it does with Jason Kendall?

Not much to go by here, but it would seem for realism, Kendal should have a big bat cursor with a tiny sweet spot and Howard should have a small bat cursor with a much larger sweet spot.