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  • Rob_NYY
    Jedi Master
    • Dec 2004
    • 2495

    #46
    Re: AI Will Take Strikes

    Originally posted by MastorofPuppetz
    Take some ritalin, it was not a defense, it was a general comment. relax.

    They take plenty of k's for me, and i get plenty of K's looking and on check swings. MVP, The show are not any better in this regard, please. it is comments liek this wehy people think forums are were people with mental issues reside.
    You are wrong. 100% wrong. The Show has the pitcher/batter duel down perfectly. The CPU will take strike 1 most of the time. It's not uncommon to throw 100+ pitches in 6 innings. I could throw 65 pitch complete games in MLB 2K7 and 2K8, and from the looks of vids and the demo, this is unchanged.

    High Heat also had this down perfect. MVP 2005 was pretty good too, although not as good as High Heat and The Show.

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    • MastorofPuppetz
      Banned
      • Feb 2009
      • 45

      #47
      Re: AI Will Take Strikes

      Originally posted by Rob_NYY
      You are wrong. 100% wrong. The Show has the pitcher/batter duel down perfectly. The CPU will take strike 1 most of the time. It's not uncommon to throw 100+ pitches in 6 innings. I could throw 65 pitch complete games in MLB 2K7 and 2K8, and from the looks of vids and the demo, this is unchanged.

      High Heat also had this down perfect. MVP 2005 was pretty good too, although not as good as High Heat and The Show.
      I have had 12 pitch at bats in a demo, how do you know what the final game wil be? The first 3 letters in assume spell...... I have the show, it has its issues, and I can easily get the cpu taking a strike, yuo actually have to pitch, not it happen automatically like the show.

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      • Rob_NYY
        Jedi Master
        • Dec 2004
        • 2495

        #48
        Re: AI Will Take Strikes

        Originally posted by MastorofPuppetz
        I have had 12 pitch at bats in a demo, how do you know what the final game wil be? The first 3 letters in assume spell...... I have the show, it has its issues, and I can easily get the cpu taking a strike, yuo actually have to pitch, not it happen automatically like the show.

        What in the name of Steve Sax are you talking about?

        And it doesn't happen automatically in The Show. You are game-bashing for no reason.

        The CPU not taking enough pitches in the MLB 2K9 demo and in all the vids is clear. You are putting on this full blown defense campaign for no reason, and you are bashing The Show in the process which is against the rules.

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        • kGinGreen
          Banned
          • Dec 2008
          • 515

          #49
          Re: AI Will Take Strikes

          I want to see what this game is like on higher difficulties. Like someone else said on the lower difficulties the cpu might just be throwing more strikes to make it easier to hit. The speed of the ball also makes it easier. I'm not expecting miracles here as i know what past versions are like, but I think it's kind of unfair to say the other game does this perfectly when it doesnt have a ton of walks either. Yeah there are some and its well balanced and works right for the most part. 2k's game doesn't. The cpu does take strikes in this game depending on how you are pitching.

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          • DJ
            Hall Of Fame
            • Apr 2003
            • 17756

            #50
            Re: AI Will Take Strikes

            Yes, the CPU does take strikes. I got 2 called third strikes in a game this morning. Nice to see the AI doesn't swing at everything.

            I do think there is a correlation between the circle and whether the AI will swing at a pitch or not.
            Currently Playing:
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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #51
              Re: AI Will Take Strikes

              Originally posted by MastorofPuppetz
              Take some ritalin, it was not a defense, it was a general comment. relax.

              They take plenty of k's for me, and i get plenty of K's looking and on check swings. MVP, The show are not any better in this regard, please. it is comments liek this wehy people think forums are were people with mental issues reside.
              Ritalin?

              Hopefully if you continue to be a jerk like that you won't be spending much more time here. The forums doesn't need your posts when they are like this.
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              • JT30
                MVP
                • Jul 2004
                • 2123

                #52
                Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                Originally posted by MastorofPuppetz
                Take some ritalin, it was not a defense, it was a general comment. relax.

                They take plenty of k's for me, and i get plenty of K's looking and on check swings. MVP, The show are not any better in this regard, please. it is comments liek this wehy people think forums are were people with mental issues reside.
                Ritalin? Wow that was uncalled for... What is wrong with you?

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                • jeffy777
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3325

                  #53
                  Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                  Originally posted by baa7
                  Last year it was the CPU Throw Strikes slider that wasn't working. The CPU would toss 60 pitch complete games with that slider set at 0. It would seldom throw balls, no matter what the game settings.
                  Yes, it was a problem out of the box, but the last part of your post is wrong. I could easily get walks last year if I set the CPU Throw Strikes sliders to 0. In fact, I had to turn those slider up to about 5 because I was getting too many balls thrown to me.

                  I'm guessing there will be adjustments we can make to remedy this year's issue as well, if VC didn't tweak the game between the demo and the final version. We'll see.

                  I've been able to strike out the CPU looking a few times in the demo in just a few games played, so with some adjustment, we should be able to see some realistic pitch counts.
                  Last edited by jeffy777; 02-25-2009, 01:17 PM.

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                  • DJ
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 17756

                    #54
                    Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                    Originally posted by jeffy777
                    Yes, it was a problem out of the box, but the last part of your post is wrong. I could easily get walks last year if I set the CPU Throw Strikes sliders to 0. In fact, I had to turn those slider up to about 5 because I was getting too many balls thrown to me.

                    I'm guessing there will be adjustments we can make to remedy this year's issue as well, if VC didn't tweak the game between the demo and the final version. We'll see.

                    I've been able to strike out the CPU looking a few times in the demo in just a few games played, so with some adjustment, we should be able to see some realistic pitch counts.
                    I drew a decent number of walks last year when I had the game. I think the R-stick hitting made it harder at first to draw walks b/c you were paying attention to your step and then were just swinging at everything close to the plate.

                    It took me a good week before I started to get the step down and could then start to read pitches as they were coming in and was able to lay off some pitches that I would've swung at prior.
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                    • JonahFalcon
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2007
                      • 437

                      #55
                      Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                      Originally posted by Djwlfpack
                      Yes, the CPU does take strikes. I got 2 called third strikes in a game this morning. Nice to see the AI doesn't swing at everything.
                      Which demo did you get? Because the demo I got off Marketplace, the computer hacks at everything in the zone. Everything - as I type - I faced 4 hitters - 4 pitches, 4 balls put in play.

                      ==EDIT==

                      5 pitches, 5 balls put in play.

                      ==EDIT 2==

                      6 pitches, 5 balls put in play, 1 swung at and missed.

                      7 pitches, 6 balls put in play, 1 swung at and missed.

                      ==EDIT 3==

                      8 pitches, 6 balls put in play, 2 swung at and missed.

                      HE TAKES A PITCH! --- well, the pitch is out of the zone for a ball.

                      ==EDIT 4==

                      Takes another pitch -- the pitch is out of the zone.

                      Hacks at two more pitches (in the zone), K.

                      I'm going to stop the pitch by pitch, but I've spoken to some other people with the demo, they all report the same thing. So, we all didn't get the demo you got.
                      Last edited by JonahFalcon; 02-25-2009, 07:26 PM.

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                      • kGinGreen
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 515

                        #56
                        Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                        Originally posted by JonahFalcon
                        Which demo did you get? Because the demo I got off Marketplace, the computer hacks at everything in the zone. Everything - as I type - I faced 4 hitters - 4 pitches, 4 balls put in play.

                        ==EDIT==

                        5 pitches, 5 balls put in play.

                        ==EDIT 2==

                        6 pitches, 5 balls put in play, 1 swung at and missed.

                        7 pitches, 6 balls put in play, 1 swung at and missed.

                        ==EDIT 3==

                        8 pitches, 6 balls put in play, 2 swung at and missed.

                        HE TAKES A PITCH! --- well, the pitch is out of the zone for a ball.

                        ==EDIT 4==

                        Takes another pitch -- the pitch is out of the zone.

                        Hacks at two more pitches (in the zone), K.

                        I'm going to stop the pitch by pitch, but I've spoken to some other people with the demo, they all report the same thing. So, we all didn't get the demo you got.
                        Maybe it's because you bash the game incessantly and it doesn't like you?

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                        • JonahFalcon
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2007
                          • 437

                          #57
                          Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                          Okay, I'm going to hit now, and I'm not going to swing at all.

                          Pitch 1: strike 1 (curve)
                          Pitch 2: strike 2 (fastball down the middle)
                          Pitch 3: ball 1 (curve outside)
                          Pitch 4: strike 3 (fastball down the middle)

                          1 out.

                          Pitch 1: strike 1 (fastball outside)
                          Pitch 2: strike 2 (fastball down the middle)
                          Pitch 3: ball 1 (curve outside)
                          Pitch 4: strike 3 (fastball down the middle)

                          2 out.

                          Pitch 1: strike 1 (fastball outside)
                          Pitch 2: strike 2 (fastball down the middle)
                          Pitch 3: strike 3 (fastball down the middle (!!) )

                          3 out.

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                          • JonahFalcon
                            Banned
                            • Jan 2007
                            • 437

                            #58
                            Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                            Originally posted by kGinGreen
                            Maybe it's because you bash the game incessantly and it doesn't like you?
                            No, just telling the truth.

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                            • kGinGreen
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 515

                              #59
                              Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                              I'm seriously not seeing the problems you are in that regard. The demo is on pro. I am seeing some pretty good battles at the plate at this point. when i first got it not so much. Paint the corners and really try to get the batter out. I'm seeing a ton of called strikes. you have to really paint the corners and i mean really just smidge them. On higher difficulties its going to be even better. This really is not the issue people have made it out to be.

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                              • JonahFalcon
                                Banned
                                • Jan 2007
                                • 437

                                #60
                                Re: AI Will Take Strikes

                                Originally posted by kGinGreen
                                I'm seriously not seeing the problems you are in that regard. The demo is on pro. I am seeing some pretty good battles at the plate at this point. when i first got it not so much. Paint the corners and really try to get the batter out. I'm seeing a ton of called strikes. you have to really paint the corners and i mean really just smidge them. On higher difficulties its going to be even better. This really is not the issue people have made it out to be.
                                Oh, yes it is.

                                I'm really enjoying creating the HD videos so I decided to do something a little different and make one that put MLB 09 The Show and MLB 2K9 right up against each other. This one isn't in full HD since I had to convert it but it still looks pretty good. I took at bats

                                Actually an unintended result of the video is displaying one of the problems with 2K9, that being the CPU swinging at most every strike. Even though I was just messing around you can see the counts getting deeper with the examples from The Show vs the ones from 2K9. It is a pretty stark difference when going back and forth between the games.

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