Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

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  • SoxFan01605
    All Star
    • Jan 2008
    • 7982

    #16
    Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

    I don't see a lawsuit like this going anywhere to be honest. Yes, it would be nice if more people coulkd get a patch or fix via other ways, but that's more a luxury than a requirement.

    At the end of the day, the consumer has resources to find out abou tthe product he's purchasing. Most games aren't released with "game killing" bugs. The ones that are are still not likely to have a patch right away in most cases. Which means the consumer is not getting duped into thinking he's getting a pefect game if he uses a bit of discernment.

    Yes, there are gamers without internet, but it's a rare occurrance nowadays. In fact, these "next gen" systems were featured for their online functionality. Gotta know what you're getting into.

    Unfortunate, but not worthy of a suit IMO.

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    • PVarck31
      Moderator
      • Jan 2003
      • 16869

      #17
      Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

      I would like to see some proof this lawsuit really exists. Any links?

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      • baa7
        Banned
        • Jul 2004
        • 11691

        #18
        Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

        Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
        And not everyone (READ: Majority of customers) is attuned as us on here knowing these problems exist. 2K sure as hell is not going to advertise, "hey, buy our game, but the franchise is fundamentally broken, and there is no fix without an internet connection".

        So those who get it, without knowing this, are the ones that pay the price ultimately. And quite honestly, should be compensated with a refund, or some other ways of getting these fixes addressed.
        Can't argue that.

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        • SoxFan01605
          All Star
          • Jan 2008
          • 7982

          #19
          Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

          Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
          And not everyone (READ: Majority of customers) is attuned as us on here knowing these problems exist. 2K sure as hell is not going to advertise, "hey, buy our game, but the franchise is fundamentally broken, and there is no fix without an internet connection".

          So those who get it, without knowing this, are the ones that pay the price ultimately. And quite honestly, should be compensated with a refund, or some other ways of getting these fixes addressed.
          Which is exactly why a lawsuit doesn't fly here. You CAN get a refund if the game is fundamentaly broken and needs extra work to fix it.

          It's a hassle and you need to have your stuff in order (receipt, etc) but a refund is certainly possible (I've done it).

          Again though, most patches don't fix actual functionality (meaning take a completely broken feature and make it work)...just quirks and glitches. This doesn't qualify as "broken" and the comapny doesn't have to even release a patch.

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          • baa7
            Banned
            • Jul 2004
            • 11691

            #20
            Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

            Originally posted by SoxFan01605
            At the end of the day, the consumer has resources to find out abou tthe product he's purchasing.
            That's also true. However, other businesses cannot operate that way. Say a car manufacturer sold cars knowing the vehicles had brakeline problems. Sure, they offer free repairs to anyone who buys their car and brings it in. But they don't issue a public notice beforehand telling consumers of the issue. They just knowingly sell these cars and expect the public to be responsible for reading up on the problem on car review sites..
            Last edited by baa7; 02-26-2009, 06:48 PM.

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            • baa7
              Banned
              • Jul 2004
              • 11691

              #21
              Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

              Originally posted by SoxFan01605
              Which is exactly why a lawsuit doesn't fly here. You CAN get a refund if the game is fundamentaly broken and needs extra work to fix it.

              It's a hassle and you need to have your stuff in order (receipt, etc) but a refund is certainly possible (I've done it).
              No way 2K is going to offer refunds for a game they patch via live. No possible way.

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              • SoxFan01605
                All Star
                • Jan 2008
                • 7982

                #22
                Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                Originally posted by baa7
                No way 2K is going to offer refunds for a game they patch via live. No possible way.
                Very possible. Maybe not a straight refund, I should have been clearer. They will offer a credit towards another 2K game though. My buddy did it with 2K8. I've personally done it with EA not 2K.

                It's a major hassle but as I said...it can be done.


                Again though, remember my disclaimer. The game itself has to be fundamentally broken (meaning not able to be played properly) for it to work. Meaning the framerate or freezing issues in previous 2K games would qualify (I got my NCAA 06 refunded do to a freezing issue on the PS2 rosters).

                Not sure the little franchise problem wold qualify since it doesn't halt game functionality (meaning you can manually work around it).

                That's a loose interpretation, but it's been my experience at least. Most consumers just aren't willing to last 12 rounds...lol.

                None of this is ideal, but it's a start. At least it's better than it was. PCs have had patches for years. It's part of the push to make consoles more like PCs. Finish as you go. Not perfect by any means, but we've grown at least.

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                • jeffy777
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3325

                  #23
                  Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                  Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                  Not everyone has that luxury. There is a lot of rural gamers out there.
                  My brother lives out in the middle of nowhere, but still has broadband via satellite. Yeah, I know not everyone has it, but the option is available for just about everyone no matter where they live.

                  Almost every 360 game ever made has a patch, and quite a few games have patches released on the first day. (Call of Duty: World at War, Street Fighter 4, etc.). It's not uncommon for a patch to fix critical issues, such as map glitches in Call of Duty. No one sued Activision over Call of Duty glitches, so I don't see how people could sue 2K in this instance. Maybe if they refused to patch it, then I could certainly understand why people would be upset and want justice served, but it sounds like 2K is on the ball in terms of wanting to get the patch out right away, so I don't see how there's any way a lawsuit would fly.

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                  • Artman22
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 4985

                    #24
                    Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                    In this day and age how is it someone does not have internet? Or have an xbox and not have LIVE? First xbox is free for silver accounts and you can get any update for free. Also xbox is built to be an online system. If they plan to sue 2k, they are going to have to sue every single game developer because they all do it.
                    NBA2K is the standard of sports games period.

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                    • jeffy777
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3325

                      #25
                      Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                      Originally posted by Art1bk
                      In this day and age how is it someone does not have internet? Or have an xbox and not have LIVE? First xbox is free for silver accounts and you can get any update for free. Also xbox is built to be an online system. If they plan to sue 2k, they are going to have to sue every single game developer because they all do it.
                      Yes. And technically, you can even download a patch from XBL via dialup if your PC is connected and you share the connection to your 360 through a router or even a crossover cable.

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                      • Artman22
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2006
                        • 4985

                        #26
                        Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                        I'm actually glad that patches exist. I remember back in the ps2 days where a game was purchased and you had to wait until next year for that to be fixed. God i hated that.
                        NBA2K is the standard of sports games period.

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                        • EnigmaNemesis
                          Animal Liberation
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 12216

                          #27
                          Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                          Originally posted by SoxFan01605
                          Which is exactly why a lawsuit doesn't fly here. You CAN get a refund if the game is fundamentaly broken and needs extra work to fix it.

                          It's a hassle and you need to have your stuff in order (receipt, etc) but a refund is certainly possible (I've done it).

                          Again though, most patches don't fix actual functionality (meaning take a completely broken feature and make it work)...just quirks and glitches. This doesn't qualify as "broken" and the comapny doesn't have to even release a patch.
                          Never said I agreed with the lawsuit ever in here. All I said was that I can understand why people will be pissed.

                          Good luck refunding a game through Wal-Mart or Gamestop without a memo handed out in company saying it is broken and to give them refunds. Exchange only sadly.
                          Boston Red Sox | Miami Dolphins

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                          • JayhawkerStL
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2004
                            • 3644

                            #28
                            Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                            Some people need to get a life. compter games have needed patches for decades now. You go to the store and buy the game, but lack interent access. What do you do? Live with it.

                            If someone did not have access to broadband, an Xbox 360 or PS3 is probably not a good purchase. they can buy one, but there are drawbacks. Situations like this is a really good example of a drawback.

                            I am bummed that release and patch has made its way to the consoles. I loved that games just worked on consoles when I gave up PC gaming years ago. I bought a Mac, and now rely primarily on consoles for gaming.

                            But the second they added hard drives and interent access to consoles, we all knew this day was coming. If it is so unacceptable, then find another way to entertain yourself.

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                            • Artman22
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2006
                              • 4985

                              #29
                              Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                              I've seen xbox live 12 month cards on sale on amazon for $29.99. If you do the math that's only $2.49 for a month. Now honestly if you can't afford that, then you should not even have a next gen system. These games are $60 a pop so $2.40 a month is not going to put a hole in anybody's pocket. The experience is well worth more then that as well.
                              NBA2K is the standard of sports games period.

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                              • jeffy777
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 3325

                                #30
                                Re: Is it true about the Class Action Law Suit?

                                Originally posted by Art1bk
                                I've seen xbox live 12 month cards on sale on amazon for $29.99. If you do the math that's only $2.49 for a month. Now honestly if you can't afford that, then you should not even have a next gen system. These games are $60 a pop so $2.40 a month is not going to put a hole in anybody's pocket. The experience is well worth more then that as well.
                                I agree. Plus a silver membership is free, and that's all you need to get patches.

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