who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

[jeffy777]

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Yeah, starting an attitude thread just to tell everyone they're idiots and fools... ALWAYS a great idea.

Good summary. This thread should really be reported and locked.

[SoxFan01605]

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Maybe if you stopped thinking you are so smart, and trying to prove me wrong and like i don't know what I'm talking about, and actually listened to me you might enjoy the game. What if I'm right dude? The thing is I know what I'm seeing. I'm trying to help you guys and you make me out to be some idiot who doesn't know what I'm talking about? If I think you're a moron I think that's understandable.

See...this is exactly what I'm talking about. You AGAIN resort to insults and generalizations. I never said you were an idiot (you are the one hurling the insults...not me). You are also the one "thinking your so smart" as you act as if everything everyone says about the game's faults are false.

You enjoy the game, I get it. You think it's underappreciated, I get that too. I'm not arguing either of those points. You even said ti yourself..."Yes the AI is slightly aggressive." So you acknowledge it's not 100% right, then criticize people for wanting improvement?

You make subjective statements as though they are fact. There may be nothing wrong to YOU...you have your view and that's fine. The fact is, IE is broken (read the sticky, as someone already mentiond), VC acknowledged as much and are releasing a patch, yet you are still shouting "noob" from the rooftops to all that disagree with you.

Plus, you are rehashing methods to IMPROVE (read: not fix) the issue that many have tossed around for awhile. You act as though everyone with this issue hasn't looked at the same things.

I'm not saying that to discredit your effort. Believe it or not, most of us appreciate those who are willing to try to make the game better. It's your misplaced superiority and repetativeness that are the issue I addressed.

Your posts drip with condescention, yet you supply no factual support for your generalized statements. If you actually said more than "game is great, people are crazy" people might listen to you a bit more.

This isn't rocket science it's a videogame...and a buggy one at that. Many of us have been playing this series for years. IE is not foreign to most of us. The only difference is the apparently increased dependency on it for gameplay. This is something that concerned a few of us before release...as it risks creation of unfixable (at least on the user's end) issues if IE has any flaws.

Again, read this carefully: I'm not discounting your experience with the game or the fact that you can get the CPU to take strikes. We get that (contrary to your opinion about our intelligence and reading comprehension).

The issue is not the lack of knowledge or use of IE, it's a matter of HOW IE is functioning.

FYI, you don't come of as trying to be helpful or insightful, as you claim you desire to be. You come of as defensive and frustrated. I understand there are still people who want nothing more than to see this game fail. MOST of us (I emphasize "most" as there are always extremes) however, are trying to make the most of it as well.

This means that a patch is required as a fair chunk of these issues can't be addressed by the user. It happens...no need for the full court press (oops...lol...wrong sport) on people who don't agree with you.

[SoxFan01605]

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Good summary. This thread should really be reported and locked.

Well...the reported part was taken care of before I even made my first comment in here (how long ago was that?...lol).

It's not the fact that he feels the game is fine...I could care less (if he enjoys it, I'm happy for him).

It's the fact that whenever anyone questions his "findings" he flies of the handle, questions people's intelligence, and slings sophmoric insults.

Oh well.

[kGinGreen]

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Who's flying off the handle? you are the one wanting this to be locked dude. I'm perfectly fine here. You can't take a joke apparently. Stop being so sensitive man. You are the one trying to make me out to be this crazy person when you've never spoken to me in your life. Not the other way around. I just responded to you. If I say you're a meathead it's because you are, because I'm not saying what you think I am. I was trying to help you out man. You want this thread to be locked.

[kGinGreen]

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I agree with you guys that this game needs a patch and is more than likely a year away. 2k rushed this game and it's apparent and I said that so I dont know how i'm flying off the handle. All I'm saying is 90% of these things can be worked around to make this game enjoyable. The core game is good and the direction this game is headed is good as well. You guys are hating on it because you are seeing all these flaws that I'm not at this point. I'm not lying here and making that up. I really seeing decent pitch counts and i'm not seeing all the bugs that people are complaining about. My main gripe with this game is graphically and it just needs to be tightened up. The controls are quirky. Some of this stuff will be fixed with a patch. Other than that i'll have to wait until next year or get a ps3 and the Show which does play beautifully out of the box and have all these things already ironed out. I think overall 2k stepped up pretty good with this game though. You just have to work for it a little bit more.

[jeffy777]

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You can't take a joke apparently. Stop being so sensitive man.

Yeah, sure, just joking.......the classic cop out......

If I say you're a meathead it's because you are

Wait, first you were just joking......but now your're not.......rrrrrrrrright.

This thread is off the chart nutty. Even if you did have a remotely valid point initially, it's hard to take anything you say seriously when you're so condescending and you throw in such ridiculous comments. I'll remember to take all your posts with a huge grain of salt when I see your username in the future

You guys are hating on it because you are seeing all these flaws that I'm not at this point.

We didn't "hate on it". Pointing out an obvious flaw is not "hating on" something. It's just giving honest feedback instead of merely trying to cover up the problem with a "workaround". If using workarounds brings you enjoyment, fine. But there's no sense in trying to deny an obvious problem and calling everyone a "meathead" who sees the problem when even the developers who made the game have admitted the problem exists and they want to fix it.

[SoxFan01605]

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Who's flying off the handle? you are the one wanting this to be locked dude. I'm perfectly fine here. You can't take a joke apparently. Stop being so sensitive man. You are the one trying to make me out to be this crazy person when you've never spoken to me in your life. Not the other way around. I just responded to you. If I say you're a meathead it's because you are, because I'm not saying what you think I am. I was trying to help you out man. You want this thread to be locked.

I know this is pointless, but you have now (in several threads, btw) made generalized, blanket insults to cover anyone who may disagree with you. Of course though...you were "just joking" right?...lol.

It's not simply people not understanding you or being too sensitive. I know it's hard to believe the meatheads here can communicate with such a higher intelligence...lol...but we do try our best. It's you beating a horse to death and not understanding US. Ahh well, irony's fun anyway...lol.

Most were actually just trying to get you to understand that what you repeatedly mention is NOT the overarching issue with the AI. You seemed to be the one getting sensitive, since more insults were hurled with no explanation of your findings.

Good for you though, as it's obviously a good strategy since the moderators seem to ignore the fact that what you've been doing since you "converted" is easily trolling as much as someone repeatedly bashing the game.

Plus, you just proved my point. You still have provided no evidence to support your findings. You simply toss out "you're a meathead because I say you are." The end...lol. Clearly, you have proven your point

Nobody has any real issue with your claims, it's just how you present them. You simply expect us to trust your judgement is better than all of our own without ANY evidentiary support.

I and others have tested plenty, and I'll personally just wait for the patch (you know...the one to fix all those problems that aren't really problems).

Enjoy the game though, big guy. Glad you're satisfied.

[BigBlue]

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Here's a test for you. First time through the lineup, throw 3 straight balls to start the count at 3-0. Then groove one in and see how many will take that strike.

Answer - ZERO! They all hack at 3-0.

Try it!

BigBlue

[SoxFan01605]

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I agree with you guys that this game needs a patch and is more than likely a year away. 2k rushed this game and it's apparent and I said that so I dont know how i'm flying off the handle. All I'm saying is 90% of these things can be worked around to make this game enjoyable. The core game is good and the direction this game is headed is good as well. You guys are hating on it because you are seeing all these flaws that I'm not at this point. I'm not lying here and making that up. I really seeing decent pitch counts and i'm not seeing all the bugs that people are complaining about. My main gripe with this game is graphically and it just needs to be tightened up. The controls are quirky. Some of this stuff will be fixed with a patch. Other than that i'll have to wait until next year or get a ps3 and the Show which does play beautifully out of the box and have all these things already ironed out. I think overall 2k stepped up pretty good with this game though.

Now see...lol...THIS comment is much more realistic and reasonable overall.

For the record, those of us still even bothering with this thread aren't "hating" on the game. It's just frustrating to read definitve and defensive statements about something we've all experienced.

We disagree on how close the core of this game is, but that's fine. It's a matter of opinion. It has improved in plenty of areas, it's just some of the bugs are overshadowing that at the moment. Hopefully the patch will help with that a bit.

The thing to remember is just because you haven't seen some of the bugs doesn't mean they don't exist

I, for example, have yet to have the 1B miss the bag. I'm not blasting people for having the issue though, as there seems to be plenty amiss with the fielding to support those claims (plus, many have provided evidence of it).

Also for the record, none of us going back and forth with you have been dramatic about the aggression and said you can't ever get deep pitch count. Frequency is the issue...and one that the patch will supposedly address.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Here's a test for you. First time through the lineup, throw 3 straight balls to start the count at 3-0. Then groove one in and see how many will take that strike.

Answer - ZERO! They all hack at 3-0.

Thati s so true. Becasue of my lack of control usingthe classic pitching, I have been seeing a lot of 3-0 counts. For the life of me, I cannot get a called strike on 3-0.

[baa7]

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Here's a test for you. First time through the lineup, throw 3 straight balls to start the count at 3-0. Then groove one in and see how many will take that strike.

Answer - ZERO! They all hack at 3-0.

Try it!

Excellent example. In an real-life MLB game, you won't see a player swinging on that count 9 out of 10 times, and probably more like 19 out of 20 times. In MLB 2K9, the CPU batter will swing 100% of the time. And to use The Show as a comparison, the CPU will rarely if ever swing at a grooved strike on a 3-0 count.

[kGinGreen]

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Thati s so true. Becasue of my lack of control usingthe classic pitching, I have been seeing a lot of 3-0 counts. For the life of me, I cannot get a called strike on 3-0.

That is not true. The reason they swing is because you are throwing it in their hot zone. Bring up inside edge and throw pitches they dont like in their cold zones and they will take pitches. Thats all i do and i see tons of called strikes. Is it perfect? no but it plays about 100 times better. The game still needs ot be tuned in certain regards because the hitters are still somewhat overly aggressive. But with Bigjoe's sliders and doing that its greatly reduced. Throw balls in their chase zones, and throw strikes in their cold zones. Problem solved. Its not that complicated. You guys don't realize you are throwing the ball in their hot zone and they are going to swing a lot of the time.....................

What you guys are doing is throwing random balls and random strikes, that's why you see the batters not swing at balls, and swing at strikes..... I wish i could show you because the games i am seeing are completely different than what i know you are seeing. I was seeing the same stuff at first and i see people do this in videos. It's great because you have to approach every batter differently. Certain batters have certain tendencies and can't hit certain pitches. CErtain batters have a tendency to chase certain pitches. If you do what i'm saying you will see batters play to their real life tendencies. It's awesome. You wonder why i really like this game when people hate it is because you are missing the whole fun and strategic aspect of this game..... I really wish a lightbulb would go off for you guys, because it did for me.

The same goes for batting. TAke pitches you dont like. Take the 1st strike. You will see the game play completely differently. Lightbulb people. If one person says omg that is awesome you get a lollipop.

[btrudeau401]

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yea i dont know about you guys but i get 6-10 strike outs a game.......and pull off like 60-70 strikes a game.....

[DaveDQ]

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Awesome thread and great game! It's time we start respecting what this game is.

Great Video.

[jeffy777]

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You guys don't realize you are throwing the ball in their hot zone and they are going to swing a lot of the time.....................

What you guys are doing is throwing random balls and random strikes, that's why you see the batters not swing at balls, and swing at strikes.

Again, I wonder how you know this. Last time I checked, you weren't in my living room to see what kind of pitches I was throwing last time I played. It's not you are the first person to discover Inside Edge, so please stop acting like you have a clue and everyone else doesn't. I use Inside Edge to it's fullest and can say honestly that the AI batters in this game are not realistic. If the ball is in the strike zone, they swing at it99% of the time, even if it's in their COLD ZONE. It's pretty obvious they are too aggressive......and again, even the developers have admitted it, so I really don't get why you keep going on with this conversation.