who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

**Spanky** · 03-12-2009, 12:24 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Uh, congratulations for getting the CPU to take a few strikes in your game.

But when like, 150 other people are saying they're averaging about four called strikes on the CPU in a nine-inning game, I gotta go with the masses on this one.

But that shouldn't stop you from enyoing.

**kGinGreen** · 03-12-2009, 12:29 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

I see called strikes consistently. Not sure what you are doing. ACtually I do and I've tried to tell you guys. That isn't my vid btw. I just posted it because i saw it.

**kGinGreen** · 03-12-2009, 12:37 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

And btw the majority used to think the world was flat as well and voted in George W Bush twice.. Just an FYI.

**SoxFan01605** · 03-12-2009, 02:21 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by kGinGreen

I see called strikes consistently. Not sure what you are doing. ACtually I do and I've tried to tell you guys. That isn't my vid btw. I just posted it because i saw it.

Interesting that you've changed your tune. I know, I know...you learned the game and we "noobs" need to quit whining. See...I've read your script

Also interesting that 2K/VC themselves acknowledge the issue and are attempting to address it in a patch. I'm sure you're right though

**allBthere** · 03-12-2009, 02:30 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

crappy thread man. I own the game and enjoy it, and guess what? they only vary rarely take the 1st strike, and your youtube link didn't show that, only 3rd strike looking, which not many people have a problem w/. it's the first pitch and overall agressiveness.

**JayBruce32** · 03-12-2009, 02:46 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

FWIW its far from the worst issue in the game. I've never complained about it once. Its too bad this is the main focus of patch #2, because the real problem is that there is no sim level of default gameplay and I'm yet to find sliders that can provide that.

**kGinGreen** · 03-12-2009, 03:12 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by SoxFan01605

Interesting that you've changed your tune. I know, I know...you learned the game and we "noobs" need to quit whining. See...I've read your script

Also interesting that 2K/VC themselves acknowledge the issue and are attempting to address it in a patch. I'm sure you're right though

The shame is 2k is going to change the AI because so many people are complaining about it. I'm seeing first strike calls. Yes the AI is slightly aggressive but it's not a big deal at all. And that wasn't my youtube vid. I wish I could put up an entire game up here that I play. You'd see what I'm talking about. It's not a big deal man and it's not a script. Just a lot of people don't know what they are doing. I managed a tech support center for years btw and if you know my script its because you are the idiot on the phone who doesnt get it. If you've ever worked in tech support back in the day you'd know what I mean. Yes there are smarter people out there that know what they are doing and no not everyone is as technicallly inclined as me. I know what I'm seeing right in front of me dude and it's not broken like people are making it out to be. It's just the way 2k implemented it its not easy to pick up and play for the masses. The game needs to be tweaked out of the box. The thing is 2k is adjusting the game for the masses and yes there are bugs. For one rosters need to be updated so batters are more patient. Yes the controls aren't tuned perfectly. Yes there are collision issues. Yeah the settings out of the box are ridiculous. But this is not as big a dela as people make it out to be and there are workarounds. The core game is good.

Maybe if you stopped thinking you are so smart, and trying to prove me wrong and like i don't know what I'm talking about, and actually listened to me you might enjoy the game. What if I'm right dude? The thing is I know what I'm seeing. I'm trying to help you guys and you make me out to be some idiot who doesn't know what I'm talking about? If I think you're a moron I think that's understandable.

**kGinGreen** · 03-12-2009, 03:41 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

just started up my first game tonight. 1st 3 batters i faced, 1st pitch was a called strike on all 3....... Dunn called out of 3 called strikes in a row. One ab went to a 3-2 count. total of 5 called strikes in the inning.

1st batter, 2 pitches(1 called strike, fly out), 2nd batter 2 pitches(1 called strike, ground out), 3rd batter 6 pitches(3 balls, 2 strikes, base hit), 4th batter(3 pitches, 3 called strikes). Do you really think I'm making this stuff up?

This is on default allstar btw.... no changes made at all.

I'm telling you guys use inside edge and pitch to the batters weakness and chase zones and tell me they dont take strikes. IE is a great feature and it makes this game very realistic and it has a lot of strategy to it. I honestly dont think people even know IE exists when it's the best feature in this game and what this game does as far as AI is completely tied to it. 2k has said this, but everyone thinks its broken when they dont even use it.

The only thing i agree with here is 2k did not tune this game perfectly on release. The game was rushed. Certain things in the game also aren't easy to just pick up and play and even know that they are there.

**baa7** · 03-12-2009, 04:39 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Everyone understands the CPU takes a few strikes each game. When it starts taking 20-30 strikes a game, and 10 strikes a game with pitches fully in the strikezone, and 60-70% of first pitch strikes, then the problem will be fixed. Until then, it's an issue with the game programming.

**jeffy777** · 03-12-2009, 04:54 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by kGinGreen

I'm telling you guys use inside edge and pitch to the batters weakness and chase zones and tell me they dont take strikes. IE is a great feature and it makes this game very realistic and it has a lot of strategy to it. I honestly dont think people even know IE exists when it's the best feature in this game and what this game does as far as AI is completely tied to it. 2k has said this, but everyone thinks its broken when they dont even use it.

Yes, yes.......we've all used Inside Edge. Check the sticky at the top of this forum. There is a serious flaw with IE and 2K/VC is well aware of it and have acknowledge that they are trying to fix it.

The game is not realistic right now. If you watch a real MLB game, batters take first pitch strikes on a fairly regular basis, even if the pitch is right over the plate (not nibbling the edge), and even if the pitch is in their "kill zone" as Jon Miller would say, they still often (but not always) watch the first pitch because they want to get a feel for what the pitcher is throwing. That would never happen in this game. If you throw a first pitch strike over the plate that isn't nibbling the edge, the AI will swing every single time. Even if you do nibble the edge, they will still swing just about 9 times out of 10 on the first pitch.

I'm not saying MLB pitchers throw first pitch strikes every time, but they generally do because they know the batter usually won't swing and they want to sneak in a first pitch strike to get ahead in the count, and it's usually something the pitcher knows will be a strike, and not a borderline pitch. But you just can't do that in this game. You have to throw something on the very edge of the strike zone if you want to get a strike in, and even then the AI will swing about 90% of the time, no matter what the count is.

Even if you use Inside Edge and pitch to their weaknesses, they will still almost always swing if you ball is in the zone and it's very common to pitch a 3 pitch inning, even if you are using IE and throwing strikes on the very edges of the zone.

Or try throwing 3 straight balls way out of the zone, and then throw a definite strike over the plate (don't nibble the corner because a real pitcher wouldn't try nibbling the corner on a 3-0 count unless it was a dangerous hitter). The AI will swing at it almost always if a 3-0 strike. In real life, the majority of batters will watch the pitch on a 3-0 count, even if it's a juicy strike.

Yes, there is potential for this game and the IE system to be good, but right now it is not nearly as realistic as it should be. 2K7 did a much better job at simulating a more realistic pitcher/batter battle (partly because we were able to tweak it ourselves with the "AI take strikes" sliders), and that game is 2 years old now. Hopefully VC can get it right now 2 years later.

So yeah, VC is attempting to rectify this problem, so you're basically wasting your breath and time by trying to argue that this isn't something that needs fixed. And I've probably wasted my time by trying to convince you otherwise, but oh well, lol....

**kGinGreen** · 03-12-2009, 05:19 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by jeffy777

Yes, yes.......we've all used Inside Edge. Check the sticky at the top of this forum. There is a serious flaw with IE and 2K/VC is well aware of it and have acknowledge that they are trying to fix it.

The game is not realistic right now. If you watch a real MLB game, batters take first pitch strikes on a fairly regular basis, even if the pitch is right over the plate (not nibbling the edge), and even if the pitch is in their "kill zone" as Jon Miller would say, they still often (but not always) watch the first pitch because they want to get a feel for what the pitcher is throwing. That would never happen in this game. If you throw a first pitch strike over the plate that isn't nibbling the edge, the AI will swing every single time. Even if you do nibble the edge, they will still swing just about 9 times out of 10 on the first pitch.

I'm not saying MLB pitchers throw first pitch strikes every time, but they generally do because they know the batter usually won't swing and they want to sneak in a first pitch strike to get ahead in the count, and it's usually something the pitcher knows will be a strike, and not a borderline pitch. But you just can't do that in this game. You have to throw something on the very edge of the strike zone if you want to get a strike in, and even then the AI will swing about 90% of the time, no matter what the count is.

Even if you use Inside Edge and pitch to their weaknesses, they will still almost always swing if you ball is in the zone and it's very common to pitch a 3 pitch inning, even if you are using IE and throwing strikes on the very edges of the zone.

Or try throwing 3 straight balls way out of the zone, and then throw a definite strike over the plate (don't nibble the corner because a real pitcher wouldn't try nibbling the corner on a 3-0 count unless it was a dangerous hitter). The AI will swing at it almost always if a 3-0 strike. In real life, the majority of batters will watch the pitch on a 3-0 count, even if it's a juicy strike.

Yes, there is potential for this game and the IE system to be good, but right now it is not nearly as realistic as it should be. 2K7 did a much better job at simulating a more realistic pitcher/batter battle (partly because we were able to tweak it ourselves with the "AI take strikes" sliders), and that game is 2 years old now. Hopefully VC can get it right now 2 years later.

So yeah, VC is attempting to rectify this problem, so you're basically wasting your breath and time by trying to argue that this isn't something that needs fixed.

omg dude. fine its a bug. suffer through it.

Did I just not post this?

"just started up my first game tonight. 1st 3 batters i faced, 1st pitch was a called strike on all 3....... Dunn called out of 3 called strikes in a row. One ab went to a 3-2 count. total of 5 called strikes in the inning.

1st batter, 2 pitches(1 called strike, fly out), 2nd batter 2 pitches(1 called strike, ground out), 3rd batter 6 pitches(3 balls, 2 strikes, base hit), 4th batter(3 pitches, 3 called strikes). Do you really think I'm making this stuff up?

This is on default allstar btw.... no changes made at all."

The thing is you are magnifying the issue because you aren't working the counts. Yes you have to work for it and its not served on a silver platter. Yes there is a problem with it but it can be greatly reduced. There are a lot of different things causing the problem you are seeing that is the point. I realize you guys can't comprehend what i'm saying. meatheads... Just wait for 2k to fix it.... You are right that it's not perfect out of the box. If you breath ont he game wrong you break it. But the thing is it can be greatly reduced and i'm not seeing nearly the problems you are because I understand what is causing it. The point is the issue can be toned down greatly with sliders, with the way you pitch, etc.... Yes the batter aggression is out of whack and that is part of it. But there are about 4 different things causing the issue.

Same with the 1st base bug. I dont think people even understand that if you push the stick left or right it causes the throw direction to change, ie left or right of the bag. The control sensitivity is out of whack but if you know what directiont o push the controller and when to release, you dont see the bug. It happens with the buttons as well because the button is too sensitive. It happens even mroe with the buttons because you don't have as much control. Most of the controls are just way too sensitive and need to be tightened.

I also dont think people realize that if you hit rb the catcher will block the plate and tag as well.

Same with fielders. The ai actualyl takes over if you get close enough to the play and let go of the stick. The sensitivity of the controls needs to be adjusted is all. But if you let go of the stick at the right time you dont see the fielder problems either. Sliders also help this.

The only problems with this game is its not tuned right out of the box. Yes there are bugs but all of them can be worked around to make this game very enjoyable. The core game is solid.

I agree with you that 2k does not mass test these games the way they should and they release them and they find issues then they correct them with a patch. This game was rushed somewhat and thats how they save money and cut corners a bit. They dont have a huge amount of people at their disposal to test these games. I'm not here making excuses for 2k. But there are workarounds for this stuff, that's all I'm saying.

2k needs to tone down the controls. Balance out the ai a bit, fix the rosters and this game will be very solid. It just got released. I'm pretty confident they can fix 90% of this stuff.

**jeffy777** · 03-12-2009, 05:29 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by kGinGreen

omg dude. fine its a bug. suffer through it.

Did I just not post this?

"just started up my first game tonight. 1st 3 batters i faced, 1st pitch was a called strike on all 3....... Dunn called out of 3 called strikes in a row. One ab went to a 3-2 count. total of 5 called strikes in the inning.

1st batter, 2 pitches(1 called strike, fly out), 2nd batter 2 pitches(1 called strike, ground out), 3rd batter 6 pitches(3 balls, 2 strikes, base hit), 4th batter(3 pitches, 3 called strikes). Do you really think I'm making this stuff up?

This is on default allstar btw.... no changes made at all."

If it's so easy to achieve this, then please post a video of three batters in a row taking first pitch strikes. You can say what you want, but the rest of us have played this game enough to know that it's extremely rare for three batters in a row to look at a first pitch strike.

And even if it did happen, how many of those first pitch strikes were borderline pitches right on the very remote edge of the strike zone? Real life pitchers aren't forced to throw those kind of pitches on on the first pitch because they know batters don't usually swing on the first pitch, unless they are known to be first pitch hitters.

Being forced to nibble the corner and getting the batter to chase on the first pitch is not realistic, nor is being able to pinpoint the corner of the zone with every single pitcher, but that's a different issue.

**jeffy777** · 03-12-2009, 05:31 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by kGinGreen

The thing is you are magnifying the issue because you aren't working the counts.

How in the world do you know that? Are you sitting in our living rooms watching the way we pitch?

Originally posted by kGinGreen

I realize you guys can't comprehend what i'm saying. meatheads...

Now you're just being rude and condescending. I'm done trying to reason with you.........

Originally posted by kGinGreen

But the thing is it can be greatly reduced and i'm not seeing nearly the problems you are because I understand what is causing it.

Sorry we aren't as smart and don't understand the way you do. I guess you missed the 10+ page sticky at the top of the forum that goes into great detail about this problem and even mentions the workarounds. The reason why it's called a workaround is because it relates to a problem......a problem that has been acknowledged by the developers and is supposed to be fixed, so this whole thread is really a waste of time and has all been posted before......minus the condescending comments from you.

**baa7** · 03-12-2009, 05:34 AM

Re: who says the cpu doesnt take strikes

Originally posted by kGinGreen

- fools.
- And btw the majority used to think the world was flat as well and voted in George W Bush twice.
- you are the idiot
- I know what I'm seeing right in front of me dude
- Maybe if you stopped thinking you are so smart
- If I think you're a moron I think that's understandable.
- omg dude.
- I realize you guys can't comprehend what i'm saying. meatheads...

Yeah, starting an attitude thread just to tell everyone they're idiots and fools... ALWAYS a great idea.

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