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  • jeffy777
    MVP
    • Jan 2009
    • 3325

    #16
    Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

    Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
    I will give you that, not thrilled about the stadiums though in comparison. But all that presentation means nothing to me, if your core fundamentals are not there. Nor the gameplay as well.

    I do hope it will improve, since that dev team does put out a stellar basketball product. But baseball is a totally different sport, obviously.

    Competition is a good thing.
    I'd honestly be shocked if it didn't improve. Now whether it will be enough remains to be seen, but the overall improvement from 2K9 to 2K10 was quite a big jump in quality. If they do that again, plus add in the missing fundamentals, it could be an exceptional game.

    I'm remaining optimistic until I see some gameplay vids and try the demo. I honestly don't want to dish out a few hundred bucks on a PS3 for only one game, but I will this year if I have to. Last year 2K10 was just enough to hold me over for another year, so I'm hoping 2K11 will be substantially better. We'll see.
    Last edited by jeffy777; 12-22-2010, 06:53 PM.

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    • JayhawkerStL
      Banned
      • Apr 2004
      • 3644

      #17
      Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

      Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
      Indeed.

      I do hope they step their game up, but nobody can hate on those of us who have no hype or anticipation due to what has become of this series. Take it one day at a time I guess.
      For no hope or anticipation, you sure end up in the wrong forum a lot.

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      • EnigmaNemesis
        Animal Liberation
        • Apr 2006
        • 12216

        #18
        Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

        Originally posted by Jayhawker
        For no hope or anticipation, you sure end up in the wrong forum a lot.

        Who said "no hope"? I surely said, "I hope", but lack "hype".

        Last edited by EnigmaNemesis; 12-22-2010, 08:26 PM.
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        • ryan36
          7 dirty words...
          • Feb 2003
          • 10139

          #19
          Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

          Let's derail a thread a mod made! Great idea. Keep it about the game leave agendas aside. Thanks guys

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          • bulls23
            Banned
            • Jan 2007
            • 1740

            #20
            Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

            The first Developers Insight was on January 15 last year, so we're still a good month away of any real concrete info, going from the timetable.

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            • ryan36
              7 dirty words...
              • Feb 2003
              • 10139

              #21
              Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

              Bulls, you're right but like I said we've heard nothing about this game for months... I guess I'm just concerned about lipstick on the pig at this point. The exclusive is likely gonna die.. I'm hoping 2k isnt just biding their time instead of being proactive w/changes

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              • EnigmaNemesis
                Animal Liberation
                • Apr 2006
                • 12216

                #22
                Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                I would like at least a small list of changes or additions, just so we know that they acknowledged some of gamer's concerns.

                They do not need a Developer Insight so early, but a small feature list that you put up for retailers would be nice.
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                • jeffy777
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 3325

                  #23
                  Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                  Originally posted by ryan36
                  I should have unpacked my original post a little better. As people have said, this is how they do it every year.

                  I was hoping/thinking/praying that this year, with vc having the game a lot longer now, that they would have some awesome improvements they couldn't wait to tell us about.

                  So since they don't seem to be in a rush to announce anything revolutionary, etc...I'm concerned this game will be a lot like 2k10- which was fun, but needed improvements. I would think they'd want to tell the consumers about how they've fixed everything. Since they don't seem to be telling us much, I wonder if we'll just see incremental improvement again, which would be good, but not the great I was hoping for.

                  Originally posted by ryan36
                  Bulls, you're right but like I said we've heard nothing about this game for months... I guess I'm just concerned about lipstick on the pig at this point. The exclusive is likely gonna die.. I'm hoping 2k isnt just biding their time instead of being proactive w/changes
                  As others have said, this is just how 2K rolls, and obviously their PR department is lousy and has been for quite some time. But that has nothing to do with their devs or necessarily the quality of the game. Look at how much they improved the game from 2K9 to 2K10 (a lot). This time last year, I'm sure the devs were excited about all the new stuff they were putting into last year's game (MLB Today, My Player Mode, better commentary, better ballparks, better pitching, etc) and they knew it was going to be much improved from 2K9. But yet they didn't even release a feature list until January 13th. I don't think they have much to do with the timing on info being released and that sort of stuff.

                  So at this point, I don't think it's really too fair to the dev team to think that because we don't have any info that it's their fault or that it means they don't care about the game or they're giving up on it because of the exclusivity stuff. I guess that's possible, but highly unlikely considering VC's recent track record.

                  If we want to blame someone for the lack of info, then we probably need to put the blame on 2K's PR department where it really belongs.

                  So we started getting some real info around early/mid-January last year. That's really not far away at all.......it'll be here soon, so we'll just have to exercise the usual patience with 2K's PR department, and then we'll finally know more about what the devs have been up to, and hopefully here some positive stuff from them.
                  Last edited by jeffy777; 12-22-2010, 09:36 PM.

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                  • EnigmaNemesis
                    Animal Liberation
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 12216

                    #24
                    Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                    Nobody is pointing any fingers at the developers. Just voicing the concern about how 2K has been handling things.

                    If they want to break out of this stigma they have created for themselves, this is a good time to start.

                    Their NBA does not need that much PR, because every year, everyone knows that will the be "game to get" for basketball.

                    Sure you can say MLB2K10 was an improvement over 2K9, but in the grand scheme of things that is not saying much, because it still lagged far behind from where it should be fundamentally, especially if you compare it to their quality NBA titles, and the competition's game.

                    Like I said, they can afford to get lax on the PR for their proven NBA game. But for those who do no follow that game, and follow baseball gaming, doing the same thing for the unproven baseball game causes some concern. Only because of the last 3 iterations have shown. And people will feel it is a repeat of the last 3 years.

                    I personally know that is how they roll, and most hardcore sports gamers do as well. But to your average consumer, they don't understand, and may see it as, "here we go again".
                    Last edited by EnigmaNemesis; 12-22-2010, 09:42 PM.
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                    • jeffy777
                      MVP
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 3325

                      #25
                      Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                      Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                      Nobody is pointing any fingers at the developers. Just voicing the concern about how 2K has been handling things.

                      If they want to break out of this stigma they have created for themselves, this is a good time to start.

                      Sure you can say MLB2K10 was an improvement over 2K9, but in the grand scheme of things that is not saying much, because it still lagged far behind from where it should be fundamentally, especially if you compare it to their quality NBA titles, and the competition's game.

                      Like I said, they can afford to get lax on the PR for their proven NBA game. But for those who do no follow that game, and follow baseball gaming, doing the same thing for the unproven baseball game causes some concern. Only because of the last 3 iterations have shown. And people will feel it is a repeat of the last 3 years.

                      I personally know that is how they roll, and most hardcore sports gamers do as well. But to your average consumer, they dont understand.
                      I agree, it would be a great time for them to change their PR ways. But we all know that probably will never happen. They just like to do things the same every year in the PR department, regardless of the game. It is unfortunate for sure.

                      I know nobody is pointing fingers at the devs, but in my previous post, I was just explaining to Ryan that this lack of info really doesn't correspond to the quality of the game or whether or not the devs have fixed certain things, because he expressed concern about that and suggested a correlation. I really don't think we can make that connection, and that it's simply just how 2K does their PR, unfortunately. Whether the games ends up sucking or rocking, the info would almost certainly be released at the same time either way.

                      As for the improvement from 2K9 to 2K10, I personally feel that it was more significant than a lot of people give them credit for. I'm not sure how much you've played it, but I've put many hours into it and still play it here and there. Yes, it lacks errors and injuries, but beyond that it is a pretty decent and fun game, as Ryan pointed out. With another year under their belt, I really don't see why VC won't improve it even more. Only time will tell. As I said before, this might be the year I buy a PS3, but I'm willing to give VC another chance first because I saw a lot of potential in 2K10. We'll see what happens. The demo will be the deciding factor for me.
                      Last edited by jeffy777; 12-22-2010, 10:09 PM.

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                      • SevenTwentyNine
                        Rookie
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 71

                        #26
                        Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                        A demo won't sell this game to me. A single game may play decently, but won't tell me what glitches creep up as you play your franchise or my player career.

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                        • jeffy777
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 3325

                          #27
                          Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                          Originally posted by SevenTwentyNine
                          A demo won't sell this game to me. A single game may play decently, but won't tell me what glitches creep up as you play your franchise or my player career.
                          It will for me because my main complaints are on the field (such as the lack of errors, the pitching being too easy to pinpoint, running animations, etc.). I really haven't encountered many other glitche in My Player, which is what I mainly play.
                          Last edited by jeffy777; 12-22-2010, 10:31 PM.

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                          • Artman22
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 4985

                            #28
                            Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                            Yeah NBA is a different game, different sport, but if you look at VC's track record. You will see that every sport that VC has made a game for sooner or later becomes the best representation of that sport. They dominated in every sport they made a game for. Football? They created NFL2k5 which to this date is considered the best football game ever, and it's on the old consoles. Basketball? Yeah there's a game called nba2k11 which is the best basketball game ever. College hoops? Yeah there's a college game that's considered the best college hoops. MLB? ahh lets see. They just jumped on board 1 and 1/2 years ago and it will be 2 and 1/2 years after 2k11. They may not be the best MLB game, but it's enough to have many people hyped, If you look at their past. EVERY single successful sports game available today has had the same developers working on the title for MANY YEARS sometimes 15 years(madden)....Anyone who isn't biased knows that the show is the better baseball game, but that doesn't mean people can't be excited about MLB2k11. With that said it will only be a matter of time before we start to see mlb2k blossom. That's why NBA2k is used as a reference.
                            NBA2K is the standard of sports games period.

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                            • BlackBetty15
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2010
                              • 1548

                              #29
                              Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                              Originally posted by EnigmaNemesis
                              Nobody is pointing any fingers at the developers. Just voicing the concern about how 2K has been handling things.

                              If they want to break out of this stigma they have created for themselves, this is a good time to start.

                              Their NBA does not need that much PR, because every year, everyone knows that will the be "game to get" for basketball.

                              Sure you can say MLB2K10 was an improvement over 2K9, but in the grand scheme of things that is not saying much, because it still lagged far behind from where it should be fundamentally, especially if you compare it to their quality NBA titles, and the competition's game.

                              Like I said, they can afford to get lax on the PR for their proven NBA game. But for those who do no follow that game, and follow baseball gaming, doing the same thing for the unproven baseball game causes some concern. Only because of the last 3 iterations have shown. And people will feel it is a repeat of the last 3 years.

                              I personally know that is how they roll, and most hardcore sports gamers do as well. But to your average consumer, they don't understand, and may see it as, "here we go again".
                              I agree with this, sad thing is it seems like 2K kinda threw in the towel with their baseball department. They lean all their weight on their NBA2K series and none on their baseball game.
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                              • rudyjuly2
                                Cade Cunningham
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 14816

                                #30
                                Re: Anyone concerned about lack of info?

                                It's always nice to get early info but it's completely irrelevant at this point. Only the hardcore gamers would care about a baseball game before Christmas. The info will come and what the info is will be the most important thing.

                                What I want to confirm is that we'll actually have the demos for the baseball games BEFORE release this year. Last year was unacceptably late on the PS3.

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