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  • econoodle
    MVP
    • Sep 2009
    • 4884

    #46
    Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

    Originally posted by kursekain
    I grew up with those games too, but the industry was quite different then. I'm not sure why when a few people voice their displeasure with a current-gen game the comparisons to the games of yesteryear usually follow. My last experience with 2k baseball was 2k7, arguably Kush's best effort, and I was burned by the franchise bug that locked up the game before the playoffs, after playing roughly 155 or so games manually. I think I do have the right to be weary of a similar experience while at the same time optimistic. We all here love sports gaming, we wouldn't be posting if we didn't. Yes, there can be some really annoying complainers, on both games' boards, but I haven't read anything in this thread that constitutes spoiled, but rather frustrated. The game has steadily improved, most here know that. But bringing up games on older hardware, while they were fun and fondly remembered, really makes no sense to me here, with all due respect.

    awesome post.
    i like the way u think brother.
    i've played em all going back to Atari and your right, going old school in regards to arguing todays games is simply silly.
    fun to reminisce, but silly.

    if ur getting 2k [or even if not] add me on psn

    econoodle

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    • Trevytrev11
      MVP
      • Nov 2006
      • 3259

      #47
      I get the point of comparing games to the games of yester-year and seeing how far the come, but that's not really where the beef comes from. It comes from looking at other sports titles and seeing what is possible and wondering why this games not doing it or why it's not as good in this game, etc.

      I think that is fair. If you pay sixty for one game and get all the bells and whistles and very few bugs and then you pay sixty dollars for another game that has glaring issues and obvious misses, then I think people have valid complaints. Especially when many of those glaring issues and misses were in games of yester-year.

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      • econoodle
        MVP
        • Sep 2009
        • 4884

        #48
        Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

        Originally posted by Trevytrev11
        I get the point of comparing games to the games of yester-year and seeing how far the come, but that's not really where the beef comes from. It comes from looking at other sports titles and seeing what is possible and wondering why this games not doing it or why it's not as good in this game, etc.

        I think that is fair. If you pay sixty for one game and get all the bells and whistles and very few bugs and then you pay sixty dollars for another game that has glaring issues and obvious misses, then I think people have valid complaints. Especially when many of those glaring issues and misses were in games of yester-year.
        I agree with what ur saying Trev.

        I guess its like anything.
        Barnes and Noble does some things better than Borders bookstore does.
        Mickey D's does fries better than Burger King.
        and so on and so forth.
        But ur point is understandable for sure.

        Talent [knowledge & amount of workers], funds available, execution, resources, etc. etc.

        I mean, I am sure EVERY sports game company wants to put in all the stuff we want, better than its been done before by them or anybody, but sometimes with those things factoring in, it just might not happen.
        It all

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        • JayhawkerStL
          Banned
          • Apr 2004
          • 3644

          #49
          Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

          Originally posted by ryan36
          I had a lot of fun w/2k10 on 360 last year... it was different from the other game. I think that VC is transitioning from frills/fun to emulate the realism that most gamers across all sports are clamoring for.

          I will not be shocked if it improved.
          I think this makes the most sense. 2K10 was a solid game, and an improvement on 2K9. It also had some glaring issues that I was confident was going to be fixed for this game. from the looks of the info so far, they have addressed those issues, and stepped up in other areas.

          So it seems like it will be at the very least, a nice upgrade on last year's game. Everything else is gravy.

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          • DisIsDaGame
            Banned
            • Feb 2011
            • 70

            #50
            Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

            Originally posted by dodgerblue

            Triple play eventually became the MVP series
            NHL series hit rock bottom and came back
            NBA Live came back after some miserable years and is still efforting to improve

            so I would say there is hope...

            NBA Live never bounced back.

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            • rudyjuly2
              Cade Cunningham
              • Aug 2002
              • 14816

              #51
              Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

              Originally posted by kursekain
              I grew up with those games too, but the industry was quite different then. I'm not sure why when a few people voice their displeasure with a current-gen game the comparisons to the games of yesteryear usually follow. My last experience with 2k baseball was 2k7, arguably Kush's best effort, and I was burned by the franchise bug that locked up the game before the playoffs, after playing roughly 155 or so games manually. I think I do have the right to be weary of a similar experience while at the same time optimistic. We all here love sports gaming, we wouldn't be posting if we didn't. Yes, there can be some really annoying complainers, on both games' boards, but I haven't read anything in this thread that constitutes spoiled, but rather frustrated. The game has steadily improved, most here know that. But bringing up games on older hardware, while they were fun and fondly remembered, really makes no sense to me here, with all due respect.
              Originally posted by econoodle
              awesome post.
              i like the way u think brother.
              i've played em all going back to Atari and your right, going old school in regards to arguing todays games is simply silly.
              fun to reminisce, but silly.

              if ur getting 2k [or even if not] add me on psn

              econoodle
              I agree completely with this. There is no point on debating how spoiled we are over how far video games have come. It's like saying we can't debate how good a movie looks because 60 years ago people were still watching on black and white TVs. It's pointless. And I'll be 39 this year so I've grown up with the evolution of video games.

              Judge a game today based on what it does and doesn't do relative to it's competition.

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              • Skyboxer
                Donny Baseball!
                • Jul 2002
                • 20302

                #52
                Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                I agree completely with this. There is no point on debating how spoiled we are over how far video games have come. It's like saying we can't debate how good a movie looks because 60 years ago people were still watching on black and white TVs. It's pointless. And I'll be 39 this year so I've grown up with the evolution of video games.

                Judge a game today based on what it does and doesn't do relative to it's competition.
                Again though it's not that you cant debate that's the problem. It's the method. Coming into threads to say "I'm not buying the game", "this game is pathetic" etc and then that's it, is what the problem is.

                Of course we all want the game to be better but the "Hit and run" posters that give absolutely no input should be instabans

                That's where I'm coming from anyways.
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                • The Bimmer
                  Far from perfect
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 1236

                  #53
                  Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                  Not to change the subject, but I am thinking it will.

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                  • brendanrfoley
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 1552

                    #54
                    I thought 2K10 was a big improvement over the previous year and expect to see an even more refined product this year. Visual Concepts has made this game better with each installment.

                    That said, I don't expect big sales. Baseball games just don't sell well.

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                    • ryan36
                      7 dirty words...
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 10139

                      #55
                      Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                      Originally posted by rudyjuly2
                      I agree completely with this. There is no point on debating how spoiled we are over how far video games have come. It's like saying we can't debate how good a movie looks because 60 years ago people were still watching on black and white TVs. It's pointless. And I'll be 39 this year so I've grown up with the evolution of video games.

                      Judge a game today based on what it does and doesn't do relative to it's competition.
                      Remember in High Heat ps2, where the with 2 outs it would allow the runner to score from 3rd on a pop out? Back then it was "ok, it's a bug, we can work around it" ...now, it's "ZOMG!!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE LAZY *** DEVS"

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                      • econoodle
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 4884

                        #56
                        Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                        Originally posted by ryan36
                        Remember in High Heat ps2, where the with 2 outs it would allow the runner to score from 3rd on a pop out? Back then it was "ok, it's a bug, we can work around it" ...now, it's "ZOMG!!! WHAT'S WRONG WITH THESE LAZY *** DEVS"

                        aint that the truth.
                        its funny cause i remember playing that game a ton and encountered all sorts of weird stuff, but it never really was that big of a deal.

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                        • Galvatron
                          True Ace
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 605

                          #57
                          Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                          Originally posted by econoodle
                          aint that the truth.
                          its funny cause i remember playing that game a ton and encountered all sorts of weird stuff, but it never really was that big of a deal.
                          I think as the hardware evolves today, so does the expectations of devs. With each step up in tech of consoles today, we hear buzzwords like "lifelike" and "immersion", and their used as major selling points, and with good reason. Bugs and other weird things will probably never disappear, even when we evolve to PS5 and Xbox 1080, but the same things won't be acceptable to all people. Basically, certain glitches today won't probably be able to be overlooked 7-8 years down the line, simply because the realism advertised blurs the fantasy element more and more. What's the point of having lifelike visuals and atmosphere if the AI isn't on the same level? Things like that can the affect the "immersion" that companies like to go on about, I think it's only fair certain games get held to that degree that they're so quick to boast about. This current gen of 2k baseball took a while to find it's footing, meanwhile a competing product has enjoyed continued success, so people making one-off complaints (something hardly new in these forums) isn't exactly unexpected, though I'm not condoning them either. Oh and eco....will do on psn
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                          • Skyboxer
                            Donny Baseball!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 20302

                            #58
                            Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                            Originally posted by kursekain
                            I think as the hardware evolves today, so does the expectations of devs. With each step up in tech of consoles today, we hear buzzwords like "lifelike" and "immersion", and their used as major selling points, and with good reason. Bugs and other weird things will probably never disappear, even when we evolve to PS5 and Xbox 1080, but the same things won't be acceptable to all people. Basically, certain glitches today won't probably be able to be overlooked 7-8 years down the line, simply because the realism advertised blurs the fantasy element more and more. What's the point of having lifelike visuals and atmosphere if the AI isn't on the same level? Things like that can the affect the "immersion" that companies like to go on about, I think it's only fair certain games get held to that degree that they're so quick to boast about. This current gen of 2k baseball took a while to find it's footing, meanwhile a competing product has enjoyed continued success, so people making one-off complaints (something hardly new in these forums) isn't exactly unexpected, though I'm not condoning them either. Oh and eco....will do on psn
                            Constructive posts are fine. The developers suck and are lazy! Posts are what the point is. Whether they are expected isnt the point. This "look at me" "instant gratification" "i have no respect for anyone or myself" generation is the problem.
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                            • econoodle
                              MVP
                              • Sep 2009
                              • 4884

                              #59
                              Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                              Originally posted by kursekain
                              I think as the hardware evolves today, so does the expectations of devs. With each step up in tech of consoles today, we hear buzzwords like "lifelike" and "immersion", and their used as major selling points, and with good reason. Bugs and other weird things will probably never disappear, even when we evolve to PS5 and Xbox 1080, but the same things won't be acceptable to all people. Basically, certain glitches today won't probably be able to be overlooked 7-8 years down the line, simply because the realism advertised blurs the fantasy element more and more. What's the point of having lifelike visuals and atmosphere if the AI isn't on the same level? Things like that can the affect the "immersion" that companies like to go on about, I think it's only fair certain games get held to that degree that they're so quick to boast about. This current gen of 2k baseball took a while to find it's footing, meanwhile a competing product has enjoyed continued success, so people making one-off complaints (something hardly new in these forums) isn't exactly unexpected, though I'm not condoning them either. Oh and eco....will do on psn

                              all of the above is good stuff, the bolded especially. I had the same thoughts but you put them there much more coherent than I ever could have.

                              Tough spot these days for devs.
                              The better the tech available, the less wiggle room they will have to 'get things right' as far as gameplay and glitches.

                              In any event, hope to see you out on the psn landscape.
                              Great discussion in this thread. Love it.

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                              • inkcil
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 5253

                                #60
                                Re: Will MLB 2k shock the world?

                                I think that there is no way that this game will NOT shock the world. Here is my logic:

                                A.) If the game plays and looks and animates great, then that will be SHOCKING given its poor precedent over the last decade...

                                B.) If the game plays and looks and animates poorly, then that too is SHOCKING given the fact that technology has progressed to the point where an excellent game IS possible.
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