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  • JBH3
    Marvel's Finest
    • Jan 2007
    • 13506

    #16
    Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

    Originally posted by cherone21
    Cc sabatjia just pitched a four hit nine inning shutout against me. Seems fine
    Yea...

    I think its a little overblown.

    Was playing vs MIL today and they took an early 4-0 lead. Grienke gave up a couple through his 6.1 IPs, and was pulled while after 6.1 having thrown 89 pitches and having a 7 run lead.
    Originally posted by Edmund Burke
    All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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    • JBH3
      Marvel's Finest
      • Jan 2007
      • 13506

      #17
      Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

      Over some of my most recent games I have seen pitchers pulled early, but it was due to injury...although not every time did the broadcast team state the player left because of injury.

      It's important that if you see a pitcher pulled, you check the League Injury Report to confirm if the pitcher left due to injury or was in fact pulled early.
      Originally posted by Edmund Burke
      All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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      • rudyjuly2
        Cade Cunningham
        • Aug 2002
        • 14816

        #18
        Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

        Originally posted by nylawyer
        The problem is the programming in the following circumstance:

        A pitcher, no matter how good or what the score is, gives up 3 runs...the CPU pulls him. It does not yank pitchers who give up 1 run over say 7 innings.

        Examples, in my games:
        1. Giants up 5-0, Lincecum on the mound, no hitter for him through 4. In 5th, gives up 2 hits, then HR....pulled.

        2. Halladay, Phils up 2-0, gives up 3 runs in 3rd on 5 hits, pulled

        There does not appear to me to be a problem if the pitcher say gives up one run through 9. Its just programmed to yank the pitcher, no matter the pitch count when 3 runs (a 4th run may squeeze through say on a double). It also does not do a mound visit.

        Also, I have seen the CPU keep relievers in for 4 innings+ despite getting hit hard and the CPU let the reliever bat in the top of the inning before, no runs scored, then pull him to start the bottom of the inning (should have pinch hit).

        Are you guys seeing anything different in the situation, I described, a starting pitcher giving up 3 runs early in the game?

        The game is on the shelf for me, it kills the realism.
        I'm seeing very similar things. The Texas starter was up 6-0 on me, gave up three runs in the third inning and was yanked immediately. The cpu needs to try and get at least 5 innings out of their starters so they don't kill the bullpen. The cpu manager also needs to be more aware of the score. If they are still leading by a good margin they don't need to make a move.

        One other bad move they make is yanking the closer as soon as he blows his save. If it's a 1 run game and a closer serves up a HR he gets yanked. Why? It's one mistake and he's still their best reliever. He should stay in.

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        • SHootar
          Rookie
          • Apr 2011
          • 28

          #19
          Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

          this has become frustrating for me too in franchise mode.

          to the ppl saying it seems fine b/c their AI pitcher went 9 innings for a shutout, that's NOT the problem here. like the one poster said on the first page, if the computer pitcher gives up 3 runs or so early, he gets the pull. it's very strange. could be the 2nd inning, and he gives up 3 runs or so, and gets the hook already.

          also i'm not sure if it's b/c of injuries or what, but i've seen WAY too often the AI pitcher leave within the first 3 innings when pitching gems. it would have to be an injury i guess, but i have injuries turned way down, and this has happened more than a few times.

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          • built
            Rookie
            • Jun 2008
            • 167

            #20
            Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

            This should be fixed. It bothers me too the quick hook for starting pitchers who only give up 3 runs.

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            • peigone
              Banned
              • Jun 2010
              • 1050

              #21
              Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

              Originally posted by SHootar
              if the computer pitcher gives up 3 runs or so early, he gets the pull. it's very strange. could be the 2nd inning, and he gives up 3 runs or so, and gets the hook already.

              also i'm not sure if it's b/c of injuries or what, but i've seen WAY too often the AI pitcher leave within the first 3 innings when pitching gems.
              It's basic, simplified AI programming 101. The CPU is programmed to remove a pitcher who gives up 3 runs. Doesn't matter who the pitcher is or what the particulars are. It's programmed that way to emulate a pitcher getting the hook because he's being bombed.

              In a similar way, the game programming doesn't respond to CPU starters who tire out in the early innings. I've run tests, and CPU starters will stay in the game for another 3, 4, 5 innings on 0 energy, as long as they're not giving up any runs. Their pitches lose a few MPH in velocity, but they stay in the game and continue pitching and pitching.

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              • Free OJ Simpson
                Rookie
                • Feb 2011
                • 31

                #22
                Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                I can understand all of that stuff. But for example I just played a game wiht my fantasy team where I was down 2-0 most the game, and with 62 pitch count they pulled their pitcher in the bottom of 5 with 2 outs after allowing 2 runs and I went on to win in 10. But the dumbest game I just played I went up about 4 after 4 so they subbed for joe nathan, he pitched three pitches and they pinch hittted for him, then they had EDISON VOLQUEZ come in, who is scheduled to start the next DAY! He gives up 3, so they bring in closer jakim soria with 1 out in the 6th! He went through till the 9th where they brought in GALLARRAGGA, their 3rd SP!

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                • built
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2008
                  • 167

                  #23
                  Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                  I don't like seeing the closer come in with one out in the 9th all the time either.

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                  • SHootar
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 28

                    #24
                    Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                    yeah i was just facing liriano, dude gives up a sac fly run in the 4th, exits the game immediately following. 3.2 IP, 1 R, 66 pitches. yay fun.

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                    • Ltrain44
                      Rookie
                      • Feb 2004
                      • 440

                      #25
                      Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                      Last see, last year they left the starters in too long right? And now this year they tried to fix that but the problem is they have overdone it and the starters get pulled too early. 2k always does that with this game. They overdo most of the changes from one game to the other. I mean don't they have people who test this game? Good grief

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                      • JBH3
                        Marvel's Finest
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 13506

                        #26
                        Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                        Pulling starters too early, leaving them in too long. Whatever...

                        Its not pulling a pitcher from the plate with only 1 out in the inning, late in the game, that is killing me.

                        Almost makes me want to play as an AL team so that I don't have to deal with the bull**** that comes from AI making bad decisions for the NL-strategy to be realized.
                        Originally posted by Edmund Burke
                        All that is needed for the triumph of evil, is for good men to do nothing.

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                        • sledge4
                          Rookie
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 20

                          #27
                          Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                          Last night i hit a 3-run homer off Gallardo in the 4th inning and they instantly pulled him with the score 3-0.

                          His pitch count was low considering I only had 1 hit off him prior to that outburst.

                          As a batter I was happy they pulled him, but as a realist, there was no way he would have been pulled in real life.

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                          • Jim Jones
                            Rookie
                            • Dec 2004
                            • 344

                            #28
                            Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                            I'm 13 games into my Nats franchise and I've already seen this way too often. I've definitely noticed the thing where CPU pitchers get pulled after giving up three runs. I was just facing Randy Wolf yesterday - Werth hit a 2-run homer off him in the first inning, then in the 5th inning I tied it at 3-3 with a solo shot from Mike Morse. Wolf immediately gets pulled even though he's only made 66 pitches.

                            The other day, Roy Halladay was throwing a gem against me. He had gone 7 innings, 4 hits, 6 K's, made only 73 pitches and the Phils were up 3-1. He gets pulled in the 8th so the Philllies can bring in Madson and then Contreras.

                            The one I HATE is when the pitcher gets pulled AFTER recording an out. I've had a few instances where the CPU pitcher is getting shelled, then he gets a strikeout or something and then he gets pulled. I don't understand that at all.
                            turn my swag on

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                            • bulls23
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 1740

                              #29
                              Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                              Originally posted by Jim Jones
                              The one I HATE is when the pitcher gets pulled AFTER recording an out. I've had a few instances where the CPU pitcher is getting shelled, then he gets a strikeout or something and then he gets pulled. I don't understand that at all.

                              You see this in real life all the time when the pitcher is not warm yet and they can't stall long enough. I think the game is missing CPU mound visits which would take care of some of this crap.

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                              • mkharsh33
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Nov 2006
                                • 12782

                                #30
                                Re: computer taking out starters too early every game

                                If you put the pitching fatigue at 40 that seems to be perfect. I've not seen any pitchers taken out prematurely with this setting. Those who have deserved to be yanked.
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