How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

[Blzer]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I never played 2K baseball before this 2K11 version, so I don't know what happened in 2K10. Did you see that in 2K10? Some have said that a right-handed pitcher when throwing a 2-seam FB to the outside of right-handed batters that the pitch doesn't break in, not supposed to I guess is what they're saying. The article link that someone here posted said "The ball will move down and to the right for a right handed pitcher." There was nothing I saw about it being different when thrown to the outside.

The poster didn't say the break on the pitch would be opposite, he said it would be less extreme. While that is true the 2K games are not reflective of this (in other words, a curveball thrown up in the zone and one thrown down in the zone will have the same break in these games, unlike The Show). However you will also not be able to perceive it as much because from your angle it would be more of a "cross-body" throw.

Again, can you please post a video of this?

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

The poster didn't say the break on the pitch would be opposite, he said it would be less extreme. While that is true the 2K games are not reflective of this (in other words, a curveball thrown up in the zone and one thrown down in the zone will have the same break in these games, unlike The Show). However you will also not be able to perceive it as much because from your angle it would be more of a "cross-body" throw.

Again, can you please post a video of this?

I don't have a video now, but if I saved one, would I need permission to post it?

[swaldo]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I was going to make a video since I'm taking a break from recording my million dollar games, but I see Arredondo is on the 15 day DL and unavailable. However, I checked him out when this thread was first created and saw nothing wrong with the movement on the pitch.

Your average 2-seamer is only going to have a couple more inches of horizontal break the a 4-seamer. Arredondo doesn't have good movement so lets say he only gets 1 inch of horizontal break on his 2-seamer? If he throws it outside to a RHB at 96 MPH you're probably not going to see a difference between that and his fastball (which is rated 97 mph.) It's not made to dance, it's only to get batters to swing a tad high thus resulting in a ground ball.

Maddux threw a much slower 2 seamer so it had more movement. Think about it: 96 MPH thrown across the body - do you have any idea how much spin would need to be applied to have it reverse direction and dart back inside like a screwball? Again, what you'll see as a batter is a 4-seamer heading outside for a ball, but the 2-seamer might straighten out just enough to catch the edge of the zone. And that's exactly what I saw in the slow-mo replay.

In live action you're just seeing a fastball heading outside hence your confusion. And yes, you can post a link to your video here, since Arredondo is not available just pick any 2-seam hurler.

[ambizytl]

Re: How can a 2-seam FB act this way?

I was going to make a video since I'm taking a break from recording my million dollar games, but I see Arredondo is on the 15 day DL and unavailable. However, I checked him out when this thread was first created and saw nothing wrong with the movement on the pitch.

Your average 2-seamer is only going to have a couple more inches of horizontal break the a 4-seamer. Arredondo doesn't have good movement so lets say he only gets 1 inch of horizontal break on his 2-seamer? If he throws it outside to a RHB at 96 MPH you're probably not going to see a difference between that and his fastball. It's not made to dance, it's only to get batters to swing a tad high thus resulting in a ground ball.

Maddux threw a much slower 2 seamer so it had more movement. Think about it: 96 MPH thrown across the body - do you have any idea how much spin would need to be applied to have it dart back inside like a screwball? Again, what you'll see as a batter is a 4-seamer heading outside for a ball, but the 2-seamer will straighten out just enough to catch the edge of the zone. And that's exactly what I saw in the slow-mo replay.

In live action you're just seeing a fastball heading outside hence your confusion. And yes, you can post a link to your video here.

I did see the same thing with a different pitcher, don't remember his name or the ratings. I do seem to recall Arredondo had a decent break on his 2-seam FB when thrown inside to righties and away from lefties.