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  • Cavicchi
    MVP
    • Mar 2004
    • 2841

    #1

    2-seamer bug

    I don't see a thread for bugs/glitches so here goes:

    As User, there is a limit on how fast I can throw the pitch, 95 mph. I can throw 100+ 4-seam fastballs, but 2-seam fastballs are limited to a max of 95. This was also in last year's game.

    It doesn't matter what pitcher is used who throws over 95 mph, Strasburg is one example.
  • DetroitStyle
    Meow
    • May 2011
    • 1047

    #2
    Re: 2-seamer bug

    It's physics. A two-seamer will always be slower than a 4-seamer due to the spin and break of the ball. It won't get much faster than 95 unless you're super human.

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    • Cavicchi
      MVP
      • Mar 2004
      • 2841

      #3
      Re: 2-seamer bug

      Originally posted by DetroitStyle
      It's physics. A two-seamer will always be slower than a 4-seamer due to the spin and break of the ball. It won't get much faster than 95 unless you're super human.
      So how come when the CPU uses Strasburg he gets over 95 on the 2-seamer? What I'm talking about only happens when User is pitching--and the 2-seam fastball rating is over 95. I do get actual 2-seam fastball speeds when rated 95 or lower; thus, what you're telling me doesn't make sense.

      Example: Pitcher has 2-seam fastball rating 97 and User can only get 95 or lower.

      Example #2: Pitcher has a 2-seam fastball rating of 95 and User gets 95.

      Example #3: Pitcher has 2-seam fastball rating of 91 and User gets 91.

      Example #4: CPU uses a pitcher with 2-seam rating of 97 and gets 97.

      Now it is understood that as the game progresses, the speed of fastballs can decrease, but I'm talking about early innings, even first inning.

      As I see it, it has nothing to do with spin of ball.

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      • foofighter2455
        Rookie
        • Mar 2006
        • 420

        #4
        Re: 2-seamer bug

        Have you made sure in the pitching practice mode that you're getting a good gesture on the 2-seam motion? You could be messing it up which takes off velo?
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        • Cavicchi
          MVP
          • Mar 2004
          • 2841

          #5
          Re: 2-seamer bug

          Originally posted by foofighter2455
          Have you made sure in the pitching practice mode that you're getting a good gesture on the 2-seam motion? You could be messing it up which takes off velo?
          I am using Classic. Perhaps this is only an issue using Classic, and if it is, it is still a bug. I found it also happens in the pitching drill for velocity.

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          • TheNumber35
            Just Bad at Everything
            • Jan 2012
            • 2708

            #6
            Re: 2-seamer bug

            Originally posted by Cavicchi
            So how come when the CPU uses Strasburg he gets over 95 on the 2-seamer? What I'm talking about only happens when User is pitching--and the 2-seam fastball rating is over 95. I do get actual 2-seam fastball speeds when rated 95 or lower; thus, what you're telling me doesn't make sense.

            Example: Pitcher has 2-seam fastball rating 97 and User can only get 95 or lower.

            Example #2: Pitcher has a 2-seam fastball rating of 95 and User gets 95.

            Example #3: Pitcher has 2-seam fastball rating of 91 and User gets 91.

            Example #4: CPU uses a pitcher with 2-seam rating of 97 and gets 97.

            Now it is understood that as the game progresses, the speed of fastballs can decrease, but I'm talking about early innings, even first inning.

            As I see it, it has nothing to do with spin of ball.
            Are you talking about the pitch overall rating? Like when your in game and there's a number next to each pitch? If so, that number doesn't equal velocity.
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            • DetroitStyle
              Meow
              • May 2011
              • 1047

              #7
              Re: 2-seamer bug

              Yea, the numbers you see on your pitches in game is the rating not the pitch speed. Pitch speed and rating are two different things, check it out in the roster management screen.

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              • Cavicchi
                MVP
                • Mar 2004
                • 2841

                #8
                Re: 2-seamer bug

                Guys, the numbers are pitch speed ratings.

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                • Cavicchi
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 2841

                  #9
                  Re: 2-seamer bug

                  From my first post starting this thread "It doesn't matter what pitcher is used who throws over 95 mph, Strasburg is one example."

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                  • kevroman
                    Rookie
                    • Aug 2004
                    • 67

                    #10
                    Re: 2-seamer bug

                    They are not pitch speed ratings. If that was the case how do you explain someone with a 95 change up- you think his change up should be 95 mph?

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                    • Cavicchi
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2841

                      #11
                      Re: 2-seamer bug

                      Originally posted by kevroman
                      They are not pitch speed ratings. If that was the case how do you explain someone with a 95 change up- you think his change up should be 95 mph?
                      I honestly don't know why this is so hard. Every pitcher is given a speed rating for each of their pitches, you know, like 95 for a fastball. Now, that is the speed at which his fastball can be thrown maximum rating. If the speed rating says 95 for a changeup, then yes, that is what it's supposed to be. Speed rating=mph. MPH equals miles per hour.

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                      • TheNumber35
                        Just Bad at Everything
                        • Jan 2012
                        • 2708

                        #12
                        Re: 2-seamer bug

                        Originally posted by kevroman
                        They are not pitch speed ratings. If that was the case how do you explain someone with a 95 change up- you think his change up should be 95 mph?
                        Exactly right...if that was the case, then Justin Verlander could only throw 92 mph with his default fastball (I think it's 92 rated at the beginning of the game) but that's not the case as he is pumping 98-100 mph from the 1st inning. So anyone who says otherwise is simply not correct.
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                        • TheNumber35
                          Just Bad at Everything
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 2708

                          #13
                          Re: 2-seamer bug

                          Originally posted by Cavicchi
                          I honestly don't know why this is so hard. Every pitcher is given a speed rating for each of their pitches, you know, like 95 for a fastball. Now, that is the speed at which his fastball can be thrown maximum rating. If the speed rating says 95 for a changeup, then yes, that is what it's supposed to be. Speed rating=mph. MPH equals miles per hour.
                          That's not the number that is shown in game...the number shown in game next to the pitch is the pitch's overall rating.

                          The speed rating, is accurate from what I've seen. I've pitched with Verlander's 2-seamer and hit its max speed. And I've tried Strasburg as well after seeing this thread, and I've done it properly and gotten the right results, so idk why your not.
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                          • Cavicchi
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 2841

                            #14
                            Re: 2-seamer bug

                            Originally posted by TheNumber35
                            That's not the number that is shown in game...the number shown in game next to the pitch is the pitch's overall rating.

                            The speed rating, is accurate from what I've seen. I've pitched with Verlander's 2-seamer and hit its max speed. And I've tried Strasburg as well after seeing this thread, and I've done it properly and gotten the right results, so idk why your not.
                            Are you using Classic pitching?

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                            • Cavicchi
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 2841

                              #15
                              Re: 2-seamer bug

                              The speed rating is shown by clicking the Y button on 360. You can also see the speed ratings by editing a player and go to where his pitches are thrown.

                              Now, I mentioned previously in this thread that I use Classic pitching, more than a post ago. If anyone wants to check this out, use Classic pitching, and you can try it in Pitching Drills for Velocity. Use a pitcher like Strasburg or any pitcher that has a 2-seam fastball speed rating (mph) of more than 95 and see if you can get more than 95 either in the drill or a game.

                              4-seam fastballs are not the problem, 2-seam fastballs over 95 mph are--in Classic pitching.

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