why didn't 2k just patch 2k12

[Baile]

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That's the thing though baile. Ths game does things that wow's me more than any other game sometimes.

I thought about that right after I posted. I play 2K11 PC, and I'm perfectly happy with it. My one loud gripe is they removed zone hitting, otherwise I'd say it's the best baseball game I've played.

[celtics6]

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I thought about that right after I posted. I play 2K11 PC, and I'm perfectly happy with it. My one loud gripe is they removed zone hitting, otherwise I'd say it's the best baseball game I've played.

This game hasn't changed much is the problem. Every year seems like this could be the year. 2k is not willing to spend on huge upgrades that would put this game far and away above the competition. So this is what we are stuck with this gen. A solid albeit somewhat dated game graphically that seems to be missing that extra something.

[Baile]

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A solid albeit somewhat dated game graphically that seems to be missing that extra something.

That extra something is depth. 3-4 years back, a 2K dev was interviewed, and he stated the game was being redesigned and simplified to appeal to the "pick-up-and-play crowd." Their hockey series underwent similar changes around the same time. It's obvious to me 2K saw it was losing the battle to other sports companies, so they dumbed things down hoping to attract kids and younger gamers. They removed critical sliders and player-rating catagories, and pitching and hitting options. Sure, it's great fun especially if you're not into complicated, detail-oriented games. But it's a shell of a series compared to what it was and where it was headed a decade ago.

[celtics6]

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I don't buy that argument overly. I don't think the game is appealing to kids or an arcade crowd. People like good games plain and simple. I think it's more resources haven't been focused on this series and development time. The game has progressively gotten better over the years. They introduced a new engine for this gen they just never built on it as much as they could have.

Most games this gen are going the more streamlined approach and ease of access. I think this was done purposely to just be easier to access vs appealing to kids.

After 2k7 they basically scrapped that engine and introduced gesture pitching, it was a transition for this gen that didn't go overly well.

It's been a sloppy effort. 2k is just sloppy as a company. They saw the show and got lazy. Took their time but they are getting there.

I honestly believe 2k13 would have been the year this game really got itself back but they only had a quarter of the time because they were still lazy and stopped production because they didnt have an agreement with mlb. It was an excuse not to keep developing the game. Most of these guys have more money than they know what to do with and they've just gotten lazy.

2k made their mark back in the day. They've lost that same passion. Not having an mlb agreement was an excuse to go on vacation for them.

Most of the developers nowadays developing the game are kids themselves. The oldschool 2k guys are just directing. They've gotten lazy. I think 2k was always kind of lazy anyways. They just didn't have competition before and were the best game in town.

my personal opinion is they now have a good b ase again. next gen 2k baseball on the 720 will be competition to the show on the ps4. They will be closer. I think 2k14 and beyond will be very good.

[Baile]

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I don't buy that argument overly. I don't think the game is appealing to kids or an arcade crowd. People like good games plain and simple.

As I said, 2K stated they simplified the series to appeal to gamers who didn't want complicated. Part of that audience would obviously be kids. Another part would be adult gamers who don't want to have to learn a lot of complicated controls. That's why they removed zone hitting and step-influence, and simplified the pitching mechanic (2 steps now instead of 3): hitting and pitching was too difficult for many people.

[celtics6]

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As I said, 2K stated they simplified the series to appeal to gamers who didn't want complicated. Part of that audience would obviously be kids. Another part would be adult gamers who don't want to have to learn a lot of complicated controls. That's why they removed zone hitting and step-influence, and simpified the pitching mechanic (2 steps now instead of 3): hitting and pitching was too difficult for many people.

I think all video games have gone that route though. Not just 2k. I think the shows controls have been even more simple than 2k's game.

[Baile]

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I think all video games have gone that route though. Not just 2k. I think the shows controls have been even more simple than 2k's game.

The Show has a mind-numbing selection of hitting and pitching options, from zone to timing to both to pulse pitching to whatever and you name it. That's where 2K fails for me. A good game should add more and new ways of playing every year. The Show does that, whereas 2K has removed several pitching and hitting options that used to be in the game.

There's a difference between making the game more assessible, and removing features. I agree many companies are making games more assessible. But I don't see other companies stripping their games down the way 2K has. Like I said, 2K baseball lacks depth.

[movethechains11]

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This may be a dumb question but I've never followed the contract situation closely.

Assuming this is the last 2k baseball game will The Show come out with an Xbox game next year?

I thought NBA live used to be a Playstation game only until 2k ran them out I may just be thinking that though.

[Baile]

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will The Show come out with an Xbox game next year?

Won't ever happen. Xbox Microsoft; PS3 and The Show Sony.

[celtics6]

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The Show has a mind-numbing selection of hitting and pitching options, from zone to timing to both to pulse pitching to whatever and you name it. That's where 2K fails for me. A good game should add more and new ways of playing every year. The Show does that, whereas 2K has removed several pitching and hitting options that used to be in the game.

There's a difference between making the game more assessible, and removing features. I agree many companies are making games more assessible. But I don't see other companies stripping their games down the way 2K has. Like I said, 2K baseball lacks depth.

This is true. I never thought about that i guess. The show does keep all previous options in their game. I'm a simpleton I guess but not really. I like to go with what i feel is the best method and don't bother with all the options. I feel like 2k's batting and pitching interface is the best method.

[Money99]

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This may be a dumb question but I've never followed the contract situation closely.

Assuming this is the last 2k baseball game will The Show come out with an Xbox game next year?

I thought NBA live used to be a Playstation game only until 2k ran them out I may just be thinking that though.

The contract that 2K signed was a 3rd-party exclusive, which means that any first-party company could make an MLB game - hence why SCEA (Sony's own development team) was allowed to make a ball game for the PS3.

That contract expired at the end of the 2012 season, but MLB - fearing no baseball game on North America's most popular console - approached TakeTwo about getting a game out for the Xbox.

The Show will never appear on any console other than Sony's because it's developed by Sony.
Only if the team members from SCEA quit and moved to EA or made their own company would you see a game like the show on another console.

With the license up in the air again this season, it'll be interesting if 2K puts a full effort into 2K14, or another publisher tries their luck.

EDIT: the basketball game you might have been thinking of was 989 sports NBA.

[jeffy777]

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and a review that pretty much sums up the feelings of 2k baseball gamers everywhere:

http://www.pastapadre.com/2013/03/05...less-than-that

He may be right on some points, but pasta is not an accurate voice for 2K fans. He's always been biased against the series. I would say bigfnjoe or mkharsh would be a much better representation of 2K baseball gamers.

[sheredia]

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if they would have just thought out-of-the-box like nba 2k11, 12 and 13, that would have been nice....something different. focus on a player, team or world baseball classic....SOMETHING. ugh.

[Baile]

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I feel like 2k's batting and pitching interface is the best method.

And that's fine and you're all set. But everytime I play a game, I'm frustrated by the lack of hitting depth. I have only ever used zone hitting in baseball games. I love the challenge of zone; I usually play as both teams and never pitch, just hit. Playing 2K baseball feels like T-ball to me using timing-only hitting.