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  • MuffinMcFluffin
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    • Feb 2003
    • 4215

    #151
    Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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    GameDude said:
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    sdrotar said:
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    You guys have no idea how hard it is to write an online game, especially for 2 different networks. Ideally, everyone would get everything they want from this game.

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    Actually, GameDude - I do. Please be cautious when making blanket statements like that.

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    OMG you have got to be kidding me. I came on here to try to explain a couple things, and you're taking it all personal? I don't think saying "you guys" is a blanket statement. I'm obviously talking to the people who don't realize what it takes to put a game like this together.

    You applauded how this thread had been kept sensible and productive, and you just took it the other way yourself.

    And with all due respect Muffin, you can't say that Sega didn't go through hard stuff working on this game. You make it sound like they took an easy way out. It really does take a lot time and effort to try to get a game out on time, and as bug free as possible. People don't get into video game development because it's easy, they get into it because it is a passion. I haven't read all of FatPitcher's remarks, but I'm sure the people who worked on this game didn't want to leave out some big features that people thought were important. Things happen during the production cycle... features get cut, things get added at the last minute, and some projects even get canned without a word.

    So all I'm saying is that if a feature that you want isn't there, it probably means that a tough decision had to be made. If the game itself bites, then it is time to say that they dropped the ball.

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    Excuse me? I'M saying that SEGA took the easy way out!?

    Haha, I'm the only one on here DEFENDING the fact that SEGA went through GREAT lengths this year fixing everything for us (all of the main coding), in which player scaling was one BIG one where animations needed further tweaking with the new module and such, exactly WHEN did I say that they are taking the easy way out!?

    COL sorry, it's just that it is so funny! I'm the only one on here that people call a fanboy, when all I'm doing is proving that SEGA did more than a roster update (but hey, they did add A-Rod to the Yanks. ).

    Sorry if it wasn't clear before.

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    • ps2baseball
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      • Mar 2003
      • 1460

      #152
      Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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      Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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      I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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      • ps2baseball
        *S r*s*d*nt s*ck *xp*rt
        • Mar 2003
        • 1460

        #153
        Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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        Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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        I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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        • ps2baseball
          *S r*s*d*nt s*ck *xp*rt
          • Mar 2003
          • 1460

          #154
          Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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          Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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          I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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          • Pared
            Legen - WAIT FOR IT
            • Feb 2003
            • 39337

            #155
            Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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            ps2baseball said:
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            Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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            I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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            I agree. Madden would usually get put off to the side by me come october, but with the roster updates, I was playing online all season long.
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            • Pared
              Legen - WAIT FOR IT
              • Feb 2003
              • 39337

              #156
              Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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              ps2baseball said:
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              Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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              I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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              I agree. Madden would usually get put off to the side by me come october, but with the roster updates, I was playing online all season long.
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                • Feb 2003
                • 39337

                #157
                Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                ps2baseball said:
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                Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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                I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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                I agree. Madden would usually get put off to the side by me come october, but with the roster updates, I was playing online all season long.
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                • dguru
                  Rookie
                  • May 2003
                  • 136

                  #158
                  Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                  Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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                  I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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                  I agree. Madden would usually get put off to the side by me come october, but with the roster updates, I was playing online all season long.

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                  1)Same here due to online play (since dreamcast) it has extended the amount of time I have played sports games 10fold. If we had online and offline playable rosters i think it would be extended 20fold.My analogy has to do with the way I play football because when I first start playing it is very fun but as the real NFL season goes on and you see different teams become better-Colts and better teams become worse-Giants for some reason there is Miami that never makes the playoffs yet they are always rated in top 5 go figure. the diffrence from the initial released ratings to what you have only half way through season starts to effect the way you perceive the sports game and amount of time you are willing to play it over lets say a First Person Shooter.

                  2)To address my analogy of a phone call what I mean is there has to be another division working on this playable roster issue as in the NFL or NBA developers because it has been brought up for the last 2+ yrs on all their message boards so why can't the baseball guys call them up and see where they have progressed with this issue so they do not have to wast valubale time and reinvent the wheel (from what I gather VC is one company isnt it).

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                  • dguru
                    Rookie
                    • May 2003
                    • 136

                    #159
                    Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                    Pared said:
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                    ps2baseball said:
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                    Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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                    I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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                    I agree. Madden would usually get put off to the side by me come october, but with the roster updates, I was playing online all season long.

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                    1)Same here due to online play (since dreamcast) it has extended the amount of time I have played sports games 10fold. If we had online and offline playable rosters i think it would be extended 20fold.My analogy has to do with the way I play football because when I first start playing it is very fun but as the real NFL season goes on and you see different teams become better-Colts and better teams become worse-Giants for some reason there is Miami that never makes the playoffs yet they are always rated in top 5 go figure. the diffrence from the initial released ratings to what you have only half way through season starts to effect the way you perceive the sports game and amount of time you are willing to play it over lets say a First Person Shooter.

                    2)To address my analogy of a phone call what I mean is there has to be another division working on this playable roster issue as in the NFL or NBA developers because it has been brought up for the last 2+ yrs on all their message boards so why can't the baseball guys call them up and see where they have progressed with this issue so they do not have to wast valubale time and reinvent the wheel (from what I gather VC is one company isnt it).

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                    • dguru
                      Rookie
                      • May 2003
                      • 136

                      #160
                      Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                      Pared said:
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                      ps2baseball said:
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                      Most of the people I know only play the game for a month or two tops after it's released

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                      I used to stop playing most sports games after a few months, but because of roster updates I have kept playing. I was playing football games during January, a first for me.

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                      I agree. Madden would usually get put off to the side by me come october, but with the roster updates, I was playing online all season long.

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                      1)Same here due to online play (since dreamcast) it has extended the amount of time I have played sports games 10fold. If we had online and offline playable rosters i think it would be extended 20fold.My analogy has to do with the way I play football because when I first start playing it is very fun but as the real NFL season goes on and you see different teams become better-Colts and better teams become worse-Giants for some reason there is Miami that never makes the playoffs yet they are always rated in top 5 go figure. the diffrence from the initial released ratings to what you have only half way through season starts to effect the way you perceive the sports game and amount of time you are willing to play it over lets say a First Person Shooter.

                      2)To address my analogy of a phone call what I mean is there has to be another division working on this playable roster issue as in the NFL or NBA developers because it has been brought up for the last 2+ yrs on all their message boards so why can't the baseball guys call them up and see where they have progressed with this issue so they do not have to wast valubale time and reinvent the wheel (from what I gather VC is one company isnt it).

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                      • Pared
                        Legen - WAIT FOR IT
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 39337

                        #161
                        Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                        dguru said:
                        My analogy has to do with the way I play football because when I first start playing it is very fun but as the real NFL season goes on and you see different teams become better-Colts and better teams become worse-Giants for some reason there is Miami that never makes the playoffs yet they are always rated in top 5 go figure. the diffrence from the initial released ratings to what you have only half way through season starts to effect the way you perceive the sports game and amount of time you are willing to play it over lets say a First Person Shooter.

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                        Exactly.

                        What I loved was how in the most recent roster update, Tiki would fumble the ball more... even online!

                        Being a Giant fan, I was happy to see the game reflect the current season so well throughout the year... but was pissed when it would cost me the game on that final drive online!

                        It was a mixed blessing....
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                          #162
                          Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                          dguru said:
                          My analogy has to do with the way I play football because when I first start playing it is very fun but as the real NFL season goes on and you see different teams become better-Colts and better teams become worse-Giants for some reason there is Miami that never makes the playoffs yet they are always rated in top 5 go figure. the diffrence from the initial released ratings to what you have only half way through season starts to effect the way you perceive the sports game and amount of time you are willing to play it over lets say a First Person Shooter.

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                          Exactly.

                          What I loved was how in the most recent roster update, Tiki would fumble the ball more... even online!

                          Being a Giant fan, I was happy to see the game reflect the current season so well throughout the year... but was pissed when it would cost me the game on that final drive online!

                          It was a mixed blessing....
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                            #163
                            Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

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                            dguru said:
                            My analogy has to do with the way I play football because when I first start playing it is very fun but as the real NFL season goes on and you see different teams become better-Colts and better teams become worse-Giants for some reason there is Miami that never makes the playoffs yet they are always rated in top 5 go figure. the diffrence from the initial released ratings to what you have only half way through season starts to effect the way you perceive the sports game and amount of time you are willing to play it over lets say a First Person Shooter.

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                            Exactly.

                            What I loved was how in the most recent roster update, Tiki would fumble the ball more... even online!

                            Being a Giant fan, I was happy to see the game reflect the current season so well throughout the year... but was pissed when it would cost me the game on that final drive online!

                            It was a mixed blessing....
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                            • sdrotar
                              OS Managing Ed., 2002-07
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1055

                              #164
                              Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              OMG you have got to be kidding me. I came on here to try to explain a couple things, and you're taking it all personal? I don't think saying "you guys" is a blanket statement. I'm obviously talking to the people who don't realize what it takes to put a game like this together.

                              You applauded how this thread had been kept sensible and productive, and you just took it the other way yourself.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Incorrect, "GameDude".
                              I simply responded to your statement (and since I'm a "guy" in this thread, I sensibly assumed that "you guys" referred to me, as well). The anonymity that message boards provide means that very few people who post here will ever have any idea of another's skills or experience.
                              I took a brief moment to inform you of mine. I firmly believe that it lends credence to my perspective, and I wanted to differentiate that from the "fanboy" type of perspective that unfortunately tends to permeate the Internet.
                              I didn't want your blanket statement to cast any incorrect impressions upon me, and so I corrected you. It's just that simple, and I have no hard feelings.

                              It's possible to criticize a game while respecting it. It's also possible to respect it, and not really like it.
                              Time will tell what WSB looks like this year - I hope it's the best game this year - I hope that for all the baseball games. Competition is good - it makes developers push themselves into making the best product possible.
                              We'll see what competition has made WSB in another month...
                              Shawn Drotar
                              Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)

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                              • sdrotar
                                OS Managing Ed., 2002-07
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 1055

                                #165
                                Re: I must say not being able to use roster updates is a bummer!

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                OMG you have got to be kidding me. I came on here to try to explain a couple things, and you're taking it all personal? I don't think saying "you guys" is a blanket statement. I'm obviously talking to the people who don't realize what it takes to put a game like this together.

                                You applauded how this thread had been kept sensible and productive, and you just took it the other way yourself.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Incorrect, "GameDude".
                                I simply responded to your statement (and since I'm a "guy" in this thread, I sensibly assumed that "you guys" referred to me, as well). The anonymity that message boards provide means that very few people who post here will ever have any idea of another's skills or experience.
                                I took a brief moment to inform you of mine. I firmly believe that it lends credence to my perspective, and I wanted to differentiate that from the "fanboy" type of perspective that unfortunately tends to permeate the Internet.
                                I didn't want your blanket statement to cast any incorrect impressions upon me, and so I corrected you. It's just that simple, and I have no hard feelings.

                                It's possible to criticize a game while respecting it. It's also possible to respect it, and not really like it.
                                Time will tell what WSB looks like this year - I hope it's the best game this year - I hope that for all the baseball games. Competition is good - it makes developers push themselves into making the best product possible.
                                We'll see what competition has made WSB in another month...
                                Shawn Drotar
                                Former Managing Editor, OperationSports.com (2002-07)

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