Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

**fossen** · 03-30-2004, 12:32 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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mvandor said:
BTW, even though you received a reply from VC, the impressions thread remains locked. At this point it appears those of us looking for candid input on ESPN Baseball are being told to look elsewhere.

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No, we're not telling you to look elsewhere.

Because there's nowhere else to look. No other site that I know of offers an impressions thread like OS consistently does. Although other beta copies are sent out, no other site solicits questions from it's readers.

**bkrich83** · 03-30-2004, 12:37 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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mvandor said:
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fossen said:

With your background you don't understand discretion? You, in your multiple buisinesses, have made each and every business decision public? When dealing with another company you take it upon yourself to speak not only for yourself, but for the other company as well?

If you have run multiple businesses, you know that you can't always make everything public - especially when you are dealing with another company. Would you, as a businessman, enter negotiations with another company who released each and every detail to the public, without your knowledge or assent?

It would be completely unprofessional of us to tell you every last detail you'd like to hear. We're saying all we can say in order to keep you informed, while still honoring Sega/VC's privacy.

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Well, let me say it this way. I just educated myself after reading to look in the news forum and now have the facts. I would not consider it risky or improper to simply say to your members "we're witholding further comment while we contact VC management to determine if FP's position is the position of the company".

What if VC did question your impartiality? Does that mean you henceforth would IGNORE their products because you're upset with them? Based on the thin skinned behavior I've observed here from many mods recently, I wouldn't have been surprised if that's what would have happened. Is that the best way to serve the site members?

No, however, the driving attitude around here doesn't seem to be that the mods are here to serve the members, but rather the members are all just disposable guests playing in this sandbox with the permission of big brother. There is a general attitude of arrogance, a "we know best, you non-mods don't know sh%t" approach to dealing with people. There is far too little self control displayed in management of these forums, and way too much disrespect heaped on the users by the forum managers.

The end result, is that the adults like me, who have the potential to contribute in many ways, won't stick around. That should be a concern to you since you obviously want the site to be successful, however I don't get the impression that it is.

BTW, even though you received a reply from VC, the impressions thread remains locked. At this point it appears those of us looking for candid input on ESPN Baseball are being told to look elsewhere.

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Are you the same MVANDOR from the ESPN2kx forums?

**bkrich83** · 03-30-2004, 12:37 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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mvandor said:
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fossen said:

With your background you don't understand discretion? You, in your multiple buisinesses, have made each and every business decision public? When dealing with another company you take it upon yourself to speak not only for yourself, but for the other company as well?

If you have run multiple businesses, you know that you can't always make everything public - especially when you are dealing with another company. Would you, as a businessman, enter negotiations with another company who released each and every detail to the public, without your knowledge or assent?

It would be completely unprofessional of us to tell you every last detail you'd like to hear. We're saying all we can say in order to keep you informed, while still honoring Sega/VC's privacy.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well, let me say it this way. I just educated myself after reading to look in the news forum and now have the facts. I would not consider it risky or improper to simply say to your members "we're witholding further comment while we contact VC management to determine if FP's position is the position of the company".

What if VC did question your impartiality? Does that mean you henceforth would IGNORE their products because you're upset with them? Based on the thin skinned behavior I've observed here from many mods recently, I wouldn't have been surprised if that's what would have happened. Is that the best way to serve the site members?

No, however, the driving attitude around here doesn't seem to be that the mods are here to serve the members, but rather the members are all just disposable guests playing in this sandbox with the permission of big brother. There is a general attitude of arrogance, a "we know best, you non-mods don't know sh%t" approach to dealing with people. There is far too little self control displayed in management of these forums, and way too much disrespect heaped on the users by the forum managers.

The end result, is that the adults like me, who have the potential to contribute in many ways, won't stick around. That should be a concern to you since you obviously want the site to be successful, however I don't get the impression that it is.

BTW, even though you received a reply from VC, the impressions thread remains locked. At this point it appears those of us looking for candid input on ESPN Baseball are being told to look elsewhere.

<hr /></blockquote>

Are you the same MVANDOR from the ESPN2kx forums?

**bkrich83** · 03-30-2004, 12:37 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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mvandor said:
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fossen said:

With your background you don't understand discretion? You, in your multiple buisinesses, have made each and every business decision public? When dealing with another company you take it upon yourself to speak not only for yourself, but for the other company as well?

If you have run multiple businesses, you know that you can't always make everything public - especially when you are dealing with another company. Would you, as a businessman, enter negotiations with another company who released each and every detail to the public, without your knowledge or assent?

It would be completely unprofessional of us to tell you every last detail you'd like to hear. We're saying all we can say in order to keep you informed, while still honoring Sega/VC's privacy.

<hr /></blockquote>

Well, let me say it this way. I just educated myself after reading to look in the news forum and now have the facts. I would not consider it risky or improper to simply say to your members "we're witholding further comment while we contact VC management to determine if FP's position is the position of the company".

What if VC did question your impartiality? Does that mean you henceforth would IGNORE their products because you're upset with them? Based on the thin skinned behavior I've observed here from many mods recently, I wouldn't have been surprised if that's what would have happened. Is that the best way to serve the site members?

No, however, the driving attitude around here doesn't seem to be that the mods are here to serve the members, but rather the members are all just disposable guests playing in this sandbox with the permission of big brother. There is a general attitude of arrogance, a "we know best, you non-mods don't know sh%t" approach to dealing with people. There is far too little self control displayed in management of these forums, and way too much disrespect heaped on the users by the forum managers.

The end result, is that the adults like me, who have the potential to contribute in many ways, won't stick around. That should be a concern to you since you obviously want the site to be successful, however I don't get the impression that it is.

BTW, even though you received a reply from VC, the impressions thread remains locked. At this point it appears those of us looking for candid input on ESPN Baseball are being told to look elsewhere.

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Are you the same MVANDOR from the ESPN2kx forums?

**GnarlyKing** · 03-30-2004, 02:12 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

So does this mean that more impressions/media will be posted soon?

**GnarlyKing** · 03-30-2004, 02:12 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

So does this mean that more impressions/media will be posted soon?

**GnarlyKing** · 03-30-2004, 02:12 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

So does this mean that more impressions/media will be posted soon?

**Anaxamander** · 03-30-2004, 02:53 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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cappadocian said:
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bkrich83 said:
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The COMPANY doesn't run ish at OS. Is VC/Blueshift pay Steve's hosting fees? Hell No! Therefore, they have NO SAY in the content that OS puts up. You guys should get a clue.

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Exactly. VC has no say in our content. What's happening now is between OS and VC, and that's all that needs to be said.

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That would be an oxymoron, no? How could VC not have any say in your content, yet you're having issues with VC and you won't post about it (the game) here? Just doesn't make any sense.

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No, that's not an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a phrase consisting of two contradictory terms, such as "deafening silence" or "jumbo shrimp."

**Anaxamander** · 03-30-2004, 02:53 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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cappadocian said:
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bkrich83 said:
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The COMPANY doesn't run ish at OS. Is VC/Blueshift pay Steve's hosting fees? Hell No! Therefore, they have NO SAY in the content that OS puts up. You guys should get a clue.

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Exactly. VC has no say in our content. What's happening now is between OS and VC, and that's all that needs to be said.

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That would be an oxymoron, no? How could VC not have any say in your content, yet you're having issues with VC and you won't post about it (the game) here? Just doesn't make any sense.

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No, that's not an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a phrase consisting of two contradictory terms, such as "deafening silence" or "jumbo shrimp."

**Anaxamander** · 03-30-2004, 02:53 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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cappadocian said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
bkrich83 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The COMPANY doesn't run ish at OS. Is VC/Blueshift pay Steve's hosting fees? Hell No! Therefore, they have NO SAY in the content that OS puts up. You guys should get a clue.

<hr /></blockquote>

Exactly. VC has no say in our content. What's happening now is between OS and VC, and that's all that needs to be said.

<hr /></blockquote>

That would be an oxymoron, no? How could VC not have any say in your content, yet you're having issues with VC and you won't post about it (the game) here? Just doesn't make any sense.

<hr /></blockquote>

No, that's not an oxymoron. An oxymoron is a phrase consisting of two contradictory terms, such as "deafening silence" or "jumbo shrimp."

**Cardot** · 03-30-2004, 02:57 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

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mvandor said:

No, however, the driving attitude around here doesn't seem to be that the mods are here to serve the members, but rather the members are all just disposable guests playing in this sandbox with the permission of big brother. There is a general attitude of arrogance, a "we know best, you non-mods don't know sh%t" approach to dealing with people. There is far too little self control displayed in management of these forums, and way too much disrespect heaped on the users by the forum managers.

The end result, is that the adults like me, who have the potential to contribute in many ways, won't stick around. That should be a concern to you since you obviously want the site to be successful, however I don't get the impression that it is.

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I have a hard time believing that an adult would be this upset about this topic.

I like the way the mods run this site. It keeps the riff-raff away. Besides, the last time I checked, there was no subscription fee. This site doesn't owe you jack, and you won't be missed if you leave.

You say this site is unsuccessful, yet you still post. Just another person who complains about OS, threatens to leave, yet some how the posts seem to keep rolling in.

**Cardot** · 03-30-2004, 02:57 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
mvandor said:

No, however, the driving attitude around here doesn't seem to be that the mods are here to serve the members, but rather the members are all just disposable guests playing in this sandbox with the permission of big brother. There is a general attitude of arrogance, a "we know best, you non-mods don't know sh%t" approach to dealing with people. There is far too little self control displayed in management of these forums, and way too much disrespect heaped on the users by the forum managers.

The end result, is that the adults like me, who have the potential to contribute in many ways, won't stick around. That should be a concern to you since you obviously want the site to be successful, however I don't get the impression that it is.

<hr /></blockquote>
I have a hard time believing that an adult would be this upset about this topic.

I like the way the mods run this site. It keeps the riff-raff away. Besides, the last time I checked, there was no subscription fee. This site doesn't owe you jack, and you won't be missed if you leave.

You say this site is unsuccessful, yet you still post. Just another person who complains about OS, threatens to leave, yet some how the posts seem to keep rolling in.

**Cardot** · 03-30-2004, 02:57 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
mvandor said:

No, however, the driving attitude around here doesn't seem to be that the mods are here to serve the members, but rather the members are all just disposable guests playing in this sandbox with the permission of big brother. There is a general attitude of arrogance, a "we know best, you non-mods don't know sh%t" approach to dealing with people. There is far too little self control displayed in management of these forums, and way too much disrespect heaped on the users by the forum managers.

The end result, is that the adults like me, who have the potential to contribute in many ways, won't stick around. That should be a concern to you since you obviously want the site to be successful, however I don't get the impression that it is.

<hr /></blockquote>
I have a hard time believing that an adult would be this upset about this topic.

I like the way the mods run this site. It keeps the riff-raff away. Besides, the last time I checked, there was no subscription fee. This site doesn't owe you jack, and you won't be missed if you leave.

You say this site is unsuccessful, yet you still post. Just another person who complains about OS, threatens to leave, yet some how the posts seem to keep rolling in.

**nycmanowar** · 03-30-2004, 03:03 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

Wow. Talk about a ramma=lamma-ham-dam. Well since everything is cool , and VC/SEGA still respects OS, when can we get back to some good old impartial impressions?

**nycmanowar** · 03-30-2004, 03:03 PM

Re: Why are you not Responding to questions about the Beta Copy

Wow. Talk about a ramma=lamma-ham-dam. Well since everything is cool , and VC/SEGA still respects OS, when can we get back to some good old impartial impressions?

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