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  • Aeon
    Rookie
    • Aug 2003
    • 112

    #16
    Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

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    fossen said:

    Basically.

    Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

    I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

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    Which would explain differences in scores between ESPN and MVP so far except the fact that MVP doesn't even HAVE a woreking franchise. All the bells and whistles in the world ain't gonna help ya if you end up with 40-year-old teams with 15 pitchers apiece on 'em.

    Which only reinforces my notion that game reviewers are generally lazy imbeciles who couldn't get a job writing for anyone else. They make these reviews with as little reserach as possible and devalue any assertion that their claims are inaccurate until they're actually caught pissing on our heads (like that guy at Gamespot that got nailed for not playing some MMO game long enough - the developers had logs of the time he actually spent playing the game online - forget which game).

    After which they'll still tell you with a straight face and a little attitude that they really did play the game long enough to make an educational and valuable review. Like i said before, fans always provide the accurate reviews. Anything written by some... person who's being paid to write or who writes in some official capacity is garbage. Usually not worth the time to read it except to understand what the features are... and most of the time they don't even get THAT right.

    Folks, we need to listen ONLY to the people that actually PLAY games, not to people who only play games so that they can review them, and spend the rest of their time playing freakin' N-Gage while their kid's at soccer practice or whatever, and couldn't tell you what bump mapping was if it came up and bit 'em in the ***.

    *gets off soapbox for good as all this ranting doesn't make a difference*

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    • GnarlyKing
      MVP
      • Jul 2003
      • 1669

      #17
      Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

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      fossen said:
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      Blzer said:
      Is it because they didn't improve the game enough? Is that why ratings are so low?

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
      Basically.

      Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

      I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

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      I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

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      • GnarlyKing
        MVP
        • Jul 2003
        • 1669

        #18
        Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

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        fossen said:
        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        Blzer said:
        Is it because they didn't improve the game enough? Is that why ratings are so low?

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
        Basically.

        Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

        I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


        I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

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        • GnarlyKing
          MVP
          • Jul 2003
          • 1669

          #19
          Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          fossen said:
          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          Blzer said:
          Is it because they didn't improve the game enough? Is that why ratings are so low?

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
          Basically.

          Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

          I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


          I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

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          • Hank103
            Rookie
            • May 2003
            • 58

            #20
            Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            fossen said:
            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            Blzer said:
            Is it because they didn't improve the game enough? Is that why ratings are so low?

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
            Basically.

            Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

            I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


            This is joke what reveiwers need to be is more consistant and fair across the table. It's ok for Madden to increase the size of the football add plamaker control and give you the options of changing hotdog priceses and you don't hear
            a word about how the game hasn't changed. However ESPN has
            redone all the fields, added a new graphics engine, changed the pitcher and batter iterface while leaving the option of last years available, added new cut scenes, new annimations and added player scaling and faces, GM career mode, First person mode, Gamecast mode not mentioning fixing all the bugs that plague what was concidered the best baseball game last year. Now the verdict has been handed down the jury has found ESPN a repeat offender while the real repeat offender remains at large.

            We don't give the devlopers the credit they deserve for the hard that is put into these games. It's very hard to come up with ideas that will please every single one of us. But how we do thank them is by beeing bias and having a standard for one and not the other. But such is life it has always been this way and I don't expect it to change anytime soon

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            • Hank103
              Rookie
              • May 2003
              • 58

              #21
              Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              fossen said:
              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              Blzer said:
              Is it because they didn't improve the game enough? Is that why ratings are so low?

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
              Basically.

              Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

              I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


              This is joke what reveiwers need to be is more consistant and fair across the table. It's ok for Madden to increase the size of the football add plamaker control and give you the options of changing hotdog priceses and you don't hear
              a word about how the game hasn't changed. However ESPN has
              redone all the fields, added a new graphics engine, changed the pitcher and batter iterface while leaving the option of last years available, added new cut scenes, new annimations and added player scaling and faces, GM career mode, First person mode, Gamecast mode not mentioning fixing all the bugs that plague what was concidered the best baseball game last year. Now the verdict has been handed down the jury has found ESPN a repeat offender while the real repeat offender remains at large.

              We don't give the devlopers the credit they deserve for the hard that is put into these games. It's very hard to come up with ideas that will please every single one of us. But how we do thank them is by beeing bias and having a standard for one and not the other. But such is life it has always been this way and I don't expect it to change anytime soon

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              • Hank103
                Rookie
                • May 2003
                • 58

                #22
                Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                fossen said:
                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                Blzer said:
                Is it because they didn't improve the game enough? Is that why ratings are so low?

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                Basically.

                Tony LaRussa Baseball was a great game when it was released. If it was released in it's original form today, would it still get high scores?

                I think reviewers expect to see growth and change in franchises, and seem to be docking ESPN on that.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">


                This is joke what reveiwers need to be is more consistant and fair across the table. It's ok for Madden to increase the size of the football add plamaker control and give you the options of changing hotdog priceses and you don't hear
                a word about how the game hasn't changed. However ESPN has
                redone all the fields, added a new graphics engine, changed the pitcher and batter iterface while leaving the option of last years available, added new cut scenes, new annimations and added player scaling and faces, GM career mode, First person mode, Gamecast mode not mentioning fixing all the bugs that plague what was concidered the best baseball game last year. Now the verdict has been handed down the jury has found ESPN a repeat offender while the real repeat offender remains at large.

                We don't give the devlopers the credit they deserve for the hard that is put into these games. It's very hard to come up with ideas that will please every single one of us. But how we do thank them is by beeing bias and having a standard for one and not the other. But such is life it has always been this way and I don't expect it to change anytime soon

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                • 13Warner
                  Banned
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 258

                  #23
                  Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                  Oh come on.

                  Madden gets ripped apart in this forum for making very little improvements and keeping the same engine. Now ESPN baseball has gone the Madden route by just tweaking gameplay. I have always been a fan of this approach. If it aint broke, don't fix it. ESPN still looks great. However getting charged $39.99 or $49.99 is where I have a problem. A roster update with a first perosn camera mode is not enough for my 40 bones.

                  This approach would be great for a $29.99 release.

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                  • 13Warner
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 258

                    #24
                    Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                    Oh come on.

                    Madden gets ripped apart in this forum for making very little improvements and keeping the same engine. Now ESPN baseball has gone the Madden route by just tweaking gameplay. I have always been a fan of this approach. If it aint broke, don't fix it. ESPN still looks great. However getting charged $39.99 or $49.99 is where I have a problem. A roster update with a first perosn camera mode is not enough for my 40 bones.

                    This approach would be great for a $29.99 release.

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                    • 13Warner
                      Banned
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 258

                      #25
                      Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                      Oh come on.

                      Madden gets ripped apart in this forum for making very little improvements and keeping the same engine. Now ESPN baseball has gone the Madden route by just tweaking gameplay. I have always been a fan of this approach. If it aint broke, don't fix it. ESPN still looks great. However getting charged $39.99 or $49.99 is where I have a problem. A roster update with a first perosn camera mode is not enough for my 40 bones.

                      This approach would be great for a $29.99 release.

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                      • handle
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 137

                        #26
                        Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

                        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                        Exactly. This is what they had to say about Madden 2004.


                        Aaron:
                        If you are looking for a HUGE difference between Madden 2003 and Madden 2004, you will be disappointed. The game plays like Madden 2003 with a few gameplay tweaks. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. Madden was the best game last year and they had less things to fix then the other games. So EA played it safe and put out a game that they knew people familiar with the series would enjoy. With that said, there are a few things that EA still has to improve particularly the commentary, the presentation, and continue to improve the CPU's AI.

                        So here is the problem I faced when deciding what score to give the game. Madden 2004 is a definite improvement over last year’s game so I cant justify giving it a lower score (Last year OS gave Madden a 94). However, even with the new features, the game just doesn’t feel new to me so I cant justify giving it a higher score. So, I’ll give Madden a score of 94.

                        Aaron: 94

                        Brian:
                        I have always believed if something is not broken then don’t fix it. Apparently the Madden team thinks like I do. While they really didn’t do anything revolutionary, they did fix some of the problems that I for one have dogged Madden for over the last several years, and added some nice new features. With the tightened game play and unbelievably deep owners mode I honestly believe this is the best version of Madden yet. Only some stale presentation, and at time funky CPU roster management hinder it for me, and even these issues are pretty mild.

                        Brian: 92

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                        • handle
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 137

                          #27
                          Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          Exactly. This is what they had to say about Madden 2004.


                          Aaron:
                          If you are looking for a HUGE difference between Madden 2003 and Madden 2004, you will be disappointed. The game plays like Madden 2003 with a few gameplay tweaks. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. Madden was the best game last year and they had less things to fix then the other games. So EA played it safe and put out a game that they knew people familiar with the series would enjoy. With that said, there are a few things that EA still has to improve particularly the commentary, the presentation, and continue to improve the CPU's AI.

                          So here is the problem I faced when deciding what score to give the game. Madden 2004 is a definite improvement over last year’s game so I cant justify giving it a lower score (Last year OS gave Madden a 94). However, even with the new features, the game just doesn’t feel new to me so I cant justify giving it a higher score. So, I’ll give Madden a score of 94.

                          Aaron: 94

                          Brian:
                          I have always believed if something is not broken then don’t fix it. Apparently the Madden team thinks like I do. While they really didn’t do anything revolutionary, they did fix some of the problems that I for one have dogged Madden for over the last several years, and added some nice new features. With the tightened game play and unbelievably deep owners mode I honestly believe this is the best version of Madden yet. Only some stale presentation, and at time funky CPU roster management hinder it for me, and even these issues are pretty mild.

                          Brian: 92

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                          • handle
                            Rookie
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 137

                            #28
                            Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

                            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                            Exactly. This is what they had to say about Madden 2004.


                            Aaron:
                            If you are looking for a HUGE difference between Madden 2003 and Madden 2004, you will be disappointed. The game plays like Madden 2003 with a few gameplay tweaks. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. Madden was the best game last year and they had less things to fix then the other games. So EA played it safe and put out a game that they knew people familiar with the series would enjoy. With that said, there are a few things that EA still has to improve particularly the commentary, the presentation, and continue to improve the CPU's AI.

                            So here is the problem I faced when deciding what score to give the game. Madden 2004 is a definite improvement over last year’s game so I cant justify giving it a lower score (Last year OS gave Madden a 94). However, even with the new features, the game just doesn’t feel new to me so I cant justify giving it a higher score. So, I’ll give Madden a score of 94.

                            Aaron: 94

                            Brian:
                            I have always believed if something is not broken then don’t fix it. Apparently the Madden team thinks like I do. While they really didn’t do anything revolutionary, they did fix some of the problems that I for one have dogged Madden for over the last several years, and added some nice new features. With the tightened game play and unbelievably deep owners mode I honestly believe this is the best version of Madden yet. Only some stale presentation, and at time funky CPU roster management hinder it for me, and even these issues are pretty mild.

                            Brian: 92

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                            • MartinDihigo
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 1000

                              #29
                              Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              handle said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              Exactly. This is what they had to say about Madden 2004.


                              Aaron:
                              If you are looking for a HUGE difference between Madden 2003 and Madden 2004, you will be disappointed. The game plays like Madden 2003 with a few gameplay tweaks. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. Madden was the best game last year and they had less things to fix then the other games. So EA played it safe and put out a game that they knew people familiar with the series would enjoy. With that said, there are a few things that EA still has to improve particularly the commentary, the presentation, and continue to improve the CPU's AI.

                              So here is the problem I faced when deciding what score to give the game. Madden 2004 is a definite improvement over last year’s game so I cant justify giving it a lower score (Last year OS gave Madden a 94). However, even with the new features, the game just doesn’t feel new to me so I cant justify giving it a higher score. So, I’ll give Madden a score of 94.

                              Aaron: 94



                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              HaHa
                              If Madden were an ESPN game the review might have gone something like this:


                              Bob:
                              page 1
                              Madden has been a great series blah blah blah. This may be a huge step back for madden lovers although i will not give you any reasons blah blah. Let me take time now to bash the Madden101 and minicamp extra features for a paragraph or so ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                              ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                              Go to page 2
                              (click here /HUGEADFORTOPSELLINGFOOTBALLGAME\ to continue)
                              thank you blah blah. And the price of hotdogs STink let me bash that major important aspect of gaming for a few lines.
                              Now i will conclude my review without going over such tiny details as GAMEPLAY or ONLINE or FRANCHISE and remind you that madden lovers are in for some bad news. I will give it a random score of 76.

                              Bob: 76

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                              • MartinDihigo
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2004
                                • 1000

                                #30
                                Re: If you wanted to couldn\'t you just make the game play like WSB2K3?

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                handle said:
                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                I would actually believe that argument if those same reviewers didn't praise Madden so much every year.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                Exactly. This is what they had to say about Madden 2004.


                                Aaron:
                                If you are looking for a HUGE difference between Madden 2003 and Madden 2004, you will be disappointed. The game plays like Madden 2003 with a few gameplay tweaks. But you know what? It doesn’t matter. Madden was the best game last year and they had less things to fix then the other games. So EA played it safe and put out a game that they knew people familiar with the series would enjoy. With that said, there are a few things that EA still has to improve particularly the commentary, the presentation, and continue to improve the CPU's AI.

                                So here is the problem I faced when deciding what score to give the game. Madden 2004 is a definite improvement over last year’s game so I cant justify giving it a lower score (Last year OS gave Madden a 94). However, even with the new features, the game just doesn’t feel new to me so I cant justify giving it a higher score. So, I’ll give Madden a score of 94.

                                Aaron: 94



                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                HaHa
                                If Madden were an ESPN game the review might have gone something like this:


                                Bob:
                                page 1
                                Madden has been a great series blah blah blah. This may be a huge step back for madden lovers although i will not give you any reasons blah blah. Let me take time now to bash the Madden101 and minicamp extra features for a paragraph or so ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                Go to page 2
                                (click here /HUGEADFORTOPSELLINGFOOTBALLGAME\ to continue)
                                thank you blah blah. And the price of hotdogs STink let me bash that major important aspect of gaming for a few lines.
                                Now i will conclude my review without going over such tiny details as GAMEPLAY or ONLINE or FRANCHISE and remind you that madden lovers are in for some bad news. I will give it a random score of 76.

                                Bob: 76

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