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  • mjb2124
    Hall Of Fame
    • Aug 2002
    • 13649

    #46
    Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

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    wwharton said:
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    srudoff said:
    actually i'm really not as interested in the results as I am to find out why all of the self-proclaimed serious baseball sim fans have accepted this game at face value with no long term testing. isn't a HUGE part of being a serious sim baseball fan based on how a game's dynasty/franchise mode works?

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    So this is yet ANOTHER thread created just to start a war. You don't care about the results, just to know that someone's testing? You just need validation to bitch about something?

    For your information 100's of people test games as soon as they get them. Some just have things jump out at them so it's not even like they know they're testing. Like you, many only post when they find problems. Some happy they found a flaw to make the game look bad and others posting to let others know and hope to find a solution. Usually when there aren't many posts like that it means there aren't many issues to worry about. There is no conspiracy to hide the flaws of the game so people like it better than another game. Hate to burst your bubble on that. If you're dying to find out what's wrong with the game then figure it out on your own. When you do, let me know b/c I haven't found anything big yet.

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    Exactly. Nothing like someone trying to start a war over nothing.

    Srudoff - You also posted this same topic at hh2004.net - LINK

    If you are really concerned about these long term tests, go out and rent the game and test it.

    I'll also add that being a serious sim baseball fan isn't JUST about how a games dynasty/franchise work. What about realistic stats? What about walks? What about stolen bases? What about LH HR's? Other games struggle with these things, but ESPN does them very well.

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    • Anaxamander
      Imperator
      • Mar 2003
      • 2795

      #47
      Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

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      wwharton said:
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      srudoff said:
      actually i'm really not as interested in the results as I am to find out why all of the self-proclaimed serious baseball sim fans have accepted this game at face value with no long term testing. isn't a HUGE part of being a serious sim baseball fan based on how a game's dynasty/franchise mode works?

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      So this is yet ANOTHER thread created just to start a war. You don't care about the results, just to know that someone's testing? You just need validation to bitch about something?

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      Exactly. If you don't care about the results, then why worry about whether people are testing or not? If there are problems, you'll hear about them. Same with every release around here. Name a game. Madden. ESPN NFL. Live. MVP. Every game gets scrutinized around here like it was an original draft of the old testament. And good thing, too. Because when people uncover stuff, a lot of time intrepid fans are there to provide fixes.

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      • Anaxamander
        Imperator
        • Mar 2003
        • 2795

        #48
        Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

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        wwharton said:
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        srudoff said:
        actually i'm really not as interested in the results as I am to find out why all of the self-proclaimed serious baseball sim fans have accepted this game at face value with no long term testing. isn't a HUGE part of being a serious sim baseball fan based on how a game's dynasty/franchise mode works?

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        So this is yet ANOTHER thread created just to start a war. You don't care about the results, just to know that someone's testing? You just need validation to bitch about something?

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        Exactly. If you don't care about the results, then why worry about whether people are testing or not? If there are problems, you'll hear about them. Same with every release around here. Name a game. Madden. ESPN NFL. Live. MVP. Every game gets scrutinized around here like it was an original draft of the old testament. And good thing, too. Because when people uncover stuff, a lot of time intrepid fans are there to provide fixes.

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        • Anaxamander
          Imperator
          • Mar 2003
          • 2795

          #49
          Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

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          wwharton said:
          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          srudoff said:
          actually i'm really not as interested in the results as I am to find out why all of the self-proclaimed serious baseball sim fans have accepted this game at face value with no long term testing. isn't a HUGE part of being a serious sim baseball fan based on how a game's dynasty/franchise mode works?

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          So this is yet ANOTHER thread created just to start a war. You don't care about the results, just to know that someone's testing? You just need validation to bitch about something?

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          Exactly. If you don't care about the results, then why worry about whether people are testing or not? If there are problems, you'll hear about them. Same with every release around here. Name a game. Madden. ESPN NFL. Live. MVP. Every game gets scrutinized around here like it was an original draft of the old testament. And good thing, too. Because when people uncover stuff, a lot of time intrepid fans are there to provide fixes.

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          • dork88
            Rookie
            • Aug 2003
            • 194

            #50
            Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

            Perhaps there hasn't been a lot of long-term testing because people are actually having fun playing the game. With MVP, after playing a few games I thought to myself, "Hmm, what else is wrong?", hence the testing.

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            • dork88
              Rookie
              • Aug 2003
              • 194

              #51
              Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

              Perhaps there hasn't been a lot of long-term testing because people are actually having fun playing the game. With MVP, after playing a few games I thought to myself, "Hmm, what else is wrong?", hence the testing.

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              • dork88
                Rookie
                • Aug 2003
                • 194

                #52
                Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                Perhaps there hasn't been a lot of long-term testing because people are actually having fun playing the game. With MVP, after playing a few games I thought to myself, "Hmm, what else is wrong?", hence the testing.

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                • DocHolliday
                  Farewell and 'ado
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 4698

                  #53
                  Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                  well, their is one bug thats kinda bad. If your (or comp) infielder dives to stop a hot grounder, then gets to his knees and makes a nice throw, but the guy is safe in time, it will count as an error for the fielder, not a hit for the hitter. Does that make sense.

                  Anyway, not sure if this si correct, but I dont think it is.
                  GT: Event Horizon 0

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                  • DocHolliday
                    Farewell and 'ado
                    • Oct 2002
                    • 4698

                    #54
                    Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                    well, their is one bug thats kinda bad. If your (or comp) infielder dives to stop a hot grounder, then gets to his knees and makes a nice throw, but the guy is safe in time, it will count as an error for the fielder, not a hit for the hitter. Does that make sense.

                    Anyway, not sure if this si correct, but I dont think it is.
                    GT: Event Horizon 0

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                    • DocHolliday
                      Farewell and 'ado
                      • Oct 2002
                      • 4698

                      #55
                      Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                      well, their is one bug thats kinda bad. If your (or comp) infielder dives to stop a hot grounder, then gets to his knees and makes a nice throw, but the guy is safe in time, it will count as an error for the fielder, not a hit for the hitter. Does that make sense.

                      Anyway, not sure if this si correct, but I dont think it is.
                      GT: Event Horizon 0

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                      • tygien
                        Rookie
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 4

                        #56
                        Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                        I'm guessing there's alot of testing going on right now. Mostly by MVP lovers such as this guy that desperately want to discredit ESPN. I see it as a good thing 'cause it means no one has been able to find a killer. Leaves more time for the rest of us that like the game to enjoy it if you ask me.


                        Just for the record, I own both MVP &amp; ESPN and enjoy them both. I've actually played more MVP because I enjoy playing the games in the minor league atmosphere.

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                        • tygien
                          Rookie
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 4

                          #57
                          Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                          I'm guessing there's alot of testing going on right now. Mostly by MVP lovers such as this guy that desperately want to discredit ESPN. I see it as a good thing 'cause it means no one has been able to find a killer. Leaves more time for the rest of us that like the game to enjoy it if you ask me.


                          Just for the record, I own both MVP &amp; ESPN and enjoy them both. I've actually played more MVP because I enjoy playing the games in the minor league atmosphere.

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                          • tygien
                            Rookie
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 4

                            #58
                            Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

                            I'm guessing there's alot of testing going on right now. Mostly by MVP lovers such as this guy that desperately want to discredit ESPN. I see it as a good thing 'cause it means no one has been able to find a killer. Leaves more time for the rest of us that like the game to enjoy it if you ask me.


                            Just for the record, I own both MVP &amp; ESPN and enjoy them both. I've actually played more MVP because I enjoy playing the games in the minor league atmosphere.

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                            • Brando70
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 646

                              #59
                              Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

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                              srudoff said:
                              see this is kinda what i was getting at

                              mvp trashers point out that it's arcade and that dynasty's broken. they claim that espn is the "best baseball game of all time", "the game for serious simmers", etc. yet none of these "serious simmers" have taken any time to make sure dynasty is not broken on espn. i actually saw one poster say that he was going to stop reading these boards because he'd rather not know about any game killing bugs because he was having too much fun playing espn. while that's fine for that guy and probably many others, it goes against all these people who can't stop talking about espn as the ultimate sim game. i guess i'm calling out these people to kinda point out why they claim to be "serious simmers" but are content to hope that espn's franchise isn't broken instead of actually making sure it's not before making their claims.

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                              I've played MVP (owned it for a while), and the on-field action alone couldn't hold ESPN's jockstrap in my opinion. I've played about two dozen games so far, so I've spent a fair amount of time with the game. But really, I noticed how much better this game is within the first couple of innings when I drew a walk.

                              ESPN certainly has some flaws. The animations often suck. The general crowd noise is flat. There are a couple of minor bugs like the scoring of errors. The substitution AI could be improved a little. But nothing that takes away from drawing walks, pitching walks more easily, and seeing CPU guys steal and hit &amp; run. The point is, this game really feels like baseball, while MVP feels like baseball-flavored substance. I don't even miss the pitching meter any more, which was my favorite part of MVP.

                              I certainly think dynasty is important, but if it's THE most important thing to you, then you shouldn't even be playing these games, you should be playing Out of the Park. If on-field gameplay is the most important thing, ESPN is easily more realistic than MVP. It is the NBA Inside Drive of baseball this year. In fact, the realism of this game becomes even more apparent the more you play it.

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                              • Brando70
                                Pro
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 646

                                #60
                                Re: Where are the long term tests of ESPN?

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                                srudoff said:
                                see this is kinda what i was getting at

                                mvp trashers point out that it's arcade and that dynasty's broken. they claim that espn is the "best baseball game of all time", "the game for serious simmers", etc. yet none of these "serious simmers" have taken any time to make sure dynasty is not broken on espn. i actually saw one poster say that he was going to stop reading these boards because he'd rather not know about any game killing bugs because he was having too much fun playing espn. while that's fine for that guy and probably many others, it goes against all these people who can't stop talking about espn as the ultimate sim game. i guess i'm calling out these people to kinda point out why they claim to be "serious simmers" but are content to hope that espn's franchise isn't broken instead of actually making sure it's not before making their claims.

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                                I've played MVP (owned it for a while), and the on-field action alone couldn't hold ESPN's jockstrap in my opinion. I've played about two dozen games so far, so I've spent a fair amount of time with the game. But really, I noticed how much better this game is within the first couple of innings when I drew a walk.

                                ESPN certainly has some flaws. The animations often suck. The general crowd noise is flat. There are a couple of minor bugs like the scoring of errors. The substitution AI could be improved a little. But nothing that takes away from drawing walks, pitching walks more easily, and seeing CPU guys steal and hit &amp; run. The point is, this game really feels like baseball, while MVP feels like baseball-flavored substance. I don't even miss the pitching meter any more, which was my favorite part of MVP.

                                I certainly think dynasty is important, but if it's THE most important thing to you, then you shouldn't even be playing these games, you should be playing Out of the Park. If on-field gameplay is the most important thing, ESPN is easily more realistic than MVP. It is the NBA Inside Drive of baseball this year. In fact, the realism of this game becomes even more apparent the more you play it.

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