Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

[backbreaker]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

Why? Well, you just answered your own question when you stated "[when you're] pounding away on whatever button."

Baseball games should not be based on button-mashing. Period. End of discussion. And you said it right there, your ability to hit a homerun on those types of pitches is based entitely off of how much or how quick you can mash a button.

Yeah, players do sit on pitches, but, even when they get those pitches, it isn't a guarantee that they hit it. From the looks of the Slam Zone so far, that doesn't look to be the case.

The animation also doesn't help. It really looks like something you sould see in Slugfest or MVP Street or something.

And comparing the feature to MVP's Hitter's Eye? Are you serious? The features are absolutely nothing a like. Hitter's Eye enables you to read the pitch and determine where it may end up. Everything is still based on the user being able to use their normal approach to hitting to be able to make contact and hit the ball where they want it to go. Slam Zone appears to be "here's the ball... press this button numerous times to build up power... press this button to connect." How are those two features similar?

Judging on what little I have see of it -- and, yes, I know that is unfair, but you have to admit you are doing the same thing -- it looks extremely hokey and out of place in a game that has built up it's reputation on being a sim. That, combined with the showboating feature, really could become an issue for those looking for the truest sim game of the year. Regardless of if you can turn the features on or off.

And comparing the feature to MVP's Hitter's Eye? Are you serious? The features are absolutely nothing a like. Hitter's Eye enables you to read the pitch and determine where it may end up


Hitter's Eye enables you to read the pitch and determine where it may end up

Slam Zone(Hitter's Eye), I repeat, is a guess pitch type(enables you to read the pitch ), guess location(determine where it may end up) It is the same since its inception with 989 sitting on a pitch, if you know what you are looking for, you swing for the fences. I admit, it is a more carefully crafted and germaine to baseball. Which takes away from the arcadey sound of Slam Zone.

Mashing buttons repeatedly(sp) doesn't take away from a sim experience. An act of excerption doesn't equate to arcadey to me in my mind. The mash of the button is to fill the power bar/meter.

Just think of it as a 3 step process.

1. Guess Pitch
2. Guess Location
That is what 989 Guess pitch is, and the same goes for MVP(this year)
The 3rd step in the process, is the aforementioned is just swing and the cpu attribute carries it out giving you the result.

3. MLB2K5, allows you to be a part of the result, base on how much power you can deliver with that player.

[backbreaker]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

Why? Well, you just answered your own question when you stated "[when you're] pounding away on whatever button."

Baseball games should not be based on button-mashing. Period. End of discussion. And you said it right there, your ability to hit a homerun on those types of pitches is based entitely off of how much or how quick you can mash a button.

Yeah, players do sit on pitches, but, even when they get those pitches, it isn't a guarantee that they hit it. From the looks of the Slam Zone so far, that doesn't look to be the case.

The animation also doesn't help. It really looks like something you sould see in Slugfest or MVP Street or something.

And comparing the feature to MVP's Hitter's Eye? Are you serious? The features are absolutely nothing a like. Hitter's Eye enables you to read the pitch and determine where it may end up. Everything is still based on the user being able to use their normal approach to hitting to be able to make contact and hit the ball where they want it to go. Slam Zone appears to be "here's the ball... press this button numerous times to build up power... press this button to connect." How are those two features similar?

Judging on what little I have see of it -- and, yes, I know that is unfair, but you have to admit you are doing the same thing -- it looks extremely hokey and out of place in a game that has built up it's reputation on being a sim. That, combined with the showboating feature, really could become an issue for those looking for the truest sim game of the year. Regardless of if you can turn the features on or off.

And comparing the feature to MVP's Hitter's Eye? Are you serious? The features are absolutely nothing a like. Hitter's Eye enables you to read the pitch and determine where it may end up


Hitter's Eye enables you to read the pitch and determine where it may end up

Slam Zone(Hitter's Eye), I repeat, is a guess pitch type(enables you to read the pitch ), guess location(determine where it may end up) It is the same since its inception with 989 sitting on a pitch, if you know what you are looking for, you swing for the fences. I admit, it is a more carefully crafted and germaine to baseball. Which takes away from the arcadey sound of Slam Zone.

Mashing buttons repeatedly(sp) doesn't take away from a sim experience. An act of excerption doesn't equate to arcadey to me in my mind. The mash of the button is to fill the power bar/meter.

Just think of it as a 3 step process.

1. Guess Pitch
2. Guess Location
That is what 989 Guess pitch is, and the same goes for MVP(this year)
The 3rd step in the process, is the aforementioned is just swing and the cpu attribute carries it out giving you the result.

3. MLB2K5, allows you to be a part of the result, base on how much power you can deliver with that player.

[BGarrett7]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

And comparing the feature to MVP's Hitter's Eye?

Uh, I wasn't the first one to compare them. In fact, I was stating why they shouldn't be compared.

[BGarrett7]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

And comparing the feature to MVP's Hitter's Eye?

Uh, I wasn't the first one to compare them. In fact, I was stating why they shouldn't be compared.

[utexas]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

It almost sounds like loading up for a pitch.I'll reserve my judgement until I play it,but it sounds like if implemented properly may be a nice feature.

[utexas]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

It almost sounds like loading up for a pitch.I'll reserve my judgement until I play it,but it sounds like if implemented properly may be a nice feature.

[maddenman420]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

I don't agree it's a realistic interpretation, that's all. I'm sure others will as well.

Well, your wrong from my point of view. I have hit MLB pitching before and when you see the ball well (like a beachball) and your locked in on a certain pitch (ala batting practice or just down right knowing what the guy on the hill is going to bring), the wait can seem like forever. I do agree somewhat that the rapid pressing fo A can steer some into thinking "Arcadey" (<-- is that even a word??) but give it a chance before you hate on it and "slam" it down.

btw, nice post utexas. (GO ROCKETS! we need Rudy T. back!)

[maddenman420]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

I don't agree it's a realistic interpretation, that's all. I'm sure others will as well.

Well, your wrong from my point of view. I have hit MLB pitching before and when you see the ball well (like a beachball) and your locked in on a certain pitch (ala batting practice or just down right knowing what the guy on the hill is going to bring), the wait can seem like forever. I do agree somewhat that the rapid pressing fo A can steer some into thinking "Arcadey" (<-- is that even a word??) but give it a chance before you hate on it and "slam" it down.

btw, nice post utexas. (GO ROCKETS! we need Rudy T. back!)

[maddenman420]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

Slam Zone

You have the same feature in MVP this year, only its called "Hitters Eye" great choice of words however. 989, has been using guess pitch since forever, at it hasn't changed since its inception. Pretty much guess pitch type and location, is equivalent to sitting on a pitch. And, both games rely on just the attribute of the player visa vie ratings.

2Kgames, has implemented this feature, and like all its games, allow the enduser dictate the result. Yes, the slo-Mo, and Joe Morgan statement adds to the complaint of Arcadey. But, Just think of the guess pitch for a walk off home run, based on the adrenaline pumping when you're pounding away on whatever button, to fill the meter for a game winning home run.

I also believe that the meter/powerbar will reflect the power hitting attribute. What do I mean, well if you have a player, who's power hitting lets say is 40 out of 100, the meter will pop up at 40% filled, so he will have too work to get to the max of the meters power bar. Now if you have a guy like Barry Bonds, who's power hitting is lets say 90%, he doesn't have too work as hard to get the power bar to full capacity.

We all know, that hitters sit on pitches, so thats all this is, now if it equals arcadey, call me pac man.

Nice post.

I would have to agree, the "Slam Zone" is guilty of only one thing so far...a bad name to a promising feature.

[maddenman420]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

Slam Zone

You have the same feature in MVP this year, only its called "Hitters Eye" great choice of words however. 989, has been using guess pitch since forever, at it hasn't changed since its inception. Pretty much guess pitch type and location, is equivalent to sitting on a pitch. And, both games rely on just the attribute of the player visa vie ratings.

2Kgames, has implemented this feature, and like all its games, allow the enduser dictate the result. Yes, the slo-Mo, and Joe Morgan statement adds to the complaint of Arcadey. But, Just think of the guess pitch for a walk off home run, based on the adrenaline pumping when you're pounding away on whatever button, to fill the meter for a game winning home run.

I also believe that the meter/powerbar will reflect the power hitting attribute. What do I mean, well if you have a player, who's power hitting lets say is 40 out of 100, the meter will pop up at 40% filled, so he will have too work to get to the max of the meters power bar. Now if you have a guy like Barry Bonds, who's power hitting is lets say 90%, he doesn't have too work as hard to get the power bar to full capacity.

We all know, that hitters sit on pitches, so thats all this is, now if it equals arcadey, call me pac man.

Nice post.

I would have to agree, the "Slam Zone" is guilty of only one thing so far...a bad name to a promising feature.

[Pared]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

Well, your wrong from my point of view. I have hit MLB pitching before and when you see the ball well (like a beachball) and your locked in on a certain pitch (ala batting practice or just down right knowing what the guy on the hill is going to bring), the wait can seem like forever. I do agree somewhat that the rapid pressing fo A can steer some into thinking "Arcadey" (<-- is that even a word??) but give it a chance before you hate on it and "slam" it down.

btw, nice post utexas. (GO ROCKETS! we need Rudy T. back!)

And this gives you "credentials?" Do you not realize anyone can pay $1000 for a fantasy camp experience where they can hit ML pitching? PLEASE. Your word is no better than mine.

Put it this way... if this were incorporated the SAME EXACT WAY in ESPN football... would it still be considered as "sim?" If Madden were to do this people would have a field day, screaming left and right this screams "ARCADE!"

Imagine you throw a deep pass into the Endzone, and it's a jump ball. Would you like a screen that pops up telling you to "Jam on the 'A' button" to fight for the catch? Then, it just becomes a matter of who can tap A the fastest to make the catch.... Does that really sound sim to you?

Like I mentioned before, if you can't turn it off, I'll steer clear. Name, advertising.. it means NOTHING. It's about the IMPLEMENTATION. (FWIW, everything you mention is the same exact way in MLB 2006, yet I'm wrong. )That's my impression now. If you're really interested, look me up in two months. I'll give you the final word then.

[Pared]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

Well, your wrong from my point of view. I have hit MLB pitching before and when you see the ball well (like a beachball) and your locked in on a certain pitch (ala batting practice or just down right knowing what the guy on the hill is going to bring), the wait can seem like forever. I do agree somewhat that the rapid pressing fo A can steer some into thinking "Arcadey" (<-- is that even a word??) but give it a chance before you hate on it and "slam" it down.

btw, nice post utexas. (GO ROCKETS! we need Rudy T. back!)

And this gives you "credentials?" Do you not realize anyone can pay $1000 for a fantasy camp experience where they can hit ML pitching? PLEASE. Your word is no better than mine.

Put it this way... if this were incorporated the SAME EXACT WAY in ESPN football... would it still be considered as "sim?" If Madden were to do this people would have a field day, screaming left and right this screams "ARCADE!"

Imagine you throw a deep pass into the Endzone, and it's a jump ball. Would you like a screen that pops up telling you to "Jam on the 'A' button" to fight for the catch? Then, it just becomes a matter of who can tap A the fastest to make the catch.... Does that really sound sim to you?

Like I mentioned before, if you can't turn it off, I'll steer clear. Name, advertising.. it means NOTHING. It's about the IMPLEMENTATION. (FWIW, everything you mention is the same exact way in MLB 2006, yet I'm wrong. )That's my impression now. If you're really interested, look me up in two months. I'll give you the final word then.

[backbreaker]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

And this gives you "credentials?" Do you not realize anyone can pay $1000 for a fantasy camp experience where they can hit ML pitching? PLEASE. Your word is no better than mine.

Put it this way... if this were incorporated the SAME EXACT WAY in ESPN football... would it still be considered as "sim?" If Madden were to do this people would have a field day, screaming left and right this screams "ARCADE!"

Imagine you throw a deep pass into the Endzone, and it's a jump ball. Would you like a screen that pops up telling you to "Jam on the 'A' button" to fight for the catch? Then, it just becomes a matter of who can tap A the fastest to make the catch.... Does that really sound sim to you?

Like I mentioned before, if you can't turn it off, I'll steer clear. Name, advertising.. it means NOTHING. It's about the IMPLEMENTATION. (FWIW, everything you mention is the same exact way in MLB 2006, yet I'm wrong. )That's my impression now. If you're really interested, look me up in two months. I'll give you the final word then.

I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points. We just come from 2 different schools of thought. I on one hand like to be a contributing factor as a end user, if its a combo of attributes and end user ability. You on the other hand if I can take the liberty in saying, think that because someone can mash a button repeatedly and be better than you at that is equivalent to arcade. This is I say I like the fact that end user coupled with attributes is the best of both worlds.

Using your jump ball theory, and I'm glad you used that one because the ESPN basketball game falls into this category. Early Boykins(end user A) will not out Jump Shaquille O'neal(end user b) no matter how fast he taps. Why, because of the mesh of end user ability and cpu attributes.

[backbreaker]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

And this gives you "credentials?" Do you not realize anyone can pay $1000 for a fantasy camp experience where they can hit ML pitching? PLEASE. Your word is no better than mine.

Put it this way... if this were incorporated the SAME EXACT WAY in ESPN football... would it still be considered as "sim?" If Madden were to do this people would have a field day, screaming left and right this screams "ARCADE!"

Imagine you throw a deep pass into the Endzone, and it's a jump ball. Would you like a screen that pops up telling you to "Jam on the 'A' button" to fight for the catch? Then, it just becomes a matter of who can tap A the fastest to make the catch.... Does that really sound sim to you?

Like I mentioned before, if you can't turn it off, I'll steer clear. Name, advertising.. it means NOTHING. It's about the IMPLEMENTATION. (FWIW, everything you mention is the same exact way in MLB 2006, yet I'm wrong. )That's my impression now. If you're really interested, look me up in two months. I'll give you the final word then.

I understand what you're saying, and you have valid points. We just come from 2 different schools of thought. I on one hand like to be a contributing factor as a end user, if its a combo of attributes and end user ability. You on the other hand if I can take the liberty in saying, think that because someone can mash a button repeatedly and be better than you at that is equivalent to arcade. This is I say I like the fact that end user coupled with attributes is the best of both worlds.

Using your jump ball theory, and I'm glad you used that one because the ESPN basketball game falls into this category. Early Boykins(end user A) will not out Jump Shaquille O'neal(end user b) no matter how fast he taps. Why, because of the mesh of end user ability and cpu attributes.

[maddenman420]

Re: Slam Zone why do you think its Arcadey

And this gives you "credentials?" Do you not realize anyone can pay $1000 for a fantasy camp experience where they can hit ML pitching? PLEASE.

LMAO. I didnt have to pay for any camp...

Why dont you just skip this season of MLB 25k? It sounds like you would only hate it anyway