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  • Slats90
    Rookie
    • Sep 2004
    • 72

    #16
    Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

    Baa,

    Will be interested in hearing your results. I don't mind doing manual editing to every team if it is going to help with the realism factor in this game.

    Thanks
    Jeff

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    • Slats90
      Rookie
      • Sep 2004
      • 72

      #17
      Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

      Baa,

      Will be interested in hearing your results. I don't mind doing manual editing to every team if it is going to help with the realism factor in this game.

      Thanks
      Jeff

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      • truckie16
        Pro
        • Mar 2004
        • 597

        #18
        Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

        Originally posted by GrandVizier
        you see so many HRs cause his power slider is WAY too high. turn that down to about 44 and you will see much better results. i also believe that the sliders that everyone wants to make love to, has skill too high and contact too low. turn AI skill down, and raise their power for more balls in play that arent perfectly placed in the gaps or over the wall. as for you having too many HRs, the power slider will help and lower your contact if you are still too high.
        also, for the guy whining about no hit variety and too many dribblers. quit swinging at crap and you wont get the dribblers. as for variety, try working the count and getting a pitch you can hit. also slider adjustment will help with that. your swing matters a good deal as well. if you are always on top of the ball you get excesive grounders like my friend mike. if you swing under pitches, like i have a tendency to do, you get lots of fly balls. so if you sonsistently hit under/above or late/early, you will see the same thing. have the AI vary pitch location and speed more to help with variety of hits. and remember that sliders are meant to customize the game to your abilities and likings, not what a group of people on a forum swear is the gospel.

        *
        Maybe I didn't make it clear enough that it's not just my hitting but the CPU's as well. Out the 27 outs recorded in a game I would say 12-15 are slow grounders to 1st or 3rd base. I think there is just something wrong with the way the ball reacts off of the bat. I've been watching the replays of hits a lot the last few games and there is a problem with the collision detection in this game. Many times the ball will actually go past the bat before it reacts to the swing other times the ball is clearly above or below the bat but still reacts as if being hit.
        As for the sliders I have tweaked the power down to 45. While it has lowered the HR totals of both myself and the CPU it still seems to high its single, single, HR, double, single, HR. If I give up or get 6-7 hits in a game 3 are HRs. I'm going to have to keep playing with this one.
        Even when I'm not "swinging at crap" the majority of the hits look the same. T2 needs to refine thier hitting system IMO.

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        • truckie16
          Pro
          • Mar 2004
          • 597

          #19
          Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

          Originally posted by GrandVizier
          you see so many HRs cause his power slider is WAY too high. turn that down to about 44 and you will see much better results. i also believe that the sliders that everyone wants to make love to, has skill too high and contact too low. turn AI skill down, and raise their power for more balls in play that arent perfectly placed in the gaps or over the wall. as for you having too many HRs, the power slider will help and lower your contact if you are still too high.
          also, for the guy whining about no hit variety and too many dribblers. quit swinging at crap and you wont get the dribblers. as for variety, try working the count and getting a pitch you can hit. also slider adjustment will help with that. your swing matters a good deal as well. if you are always on top of the ball you get excesive grounders like my friend mike. if you swing under pitches, like i have a tendency to do, you get lots of fly balls. so if you sonsistently hit under/above or late/early, you will see the same thing. have the AI vary pitch location and speed more to help with variety of hits. and remember that sliders are meant to customize the game to your abilities and likings, not what a group of people on a forum swear is the gospel.

          *
          Maybe I didn't make it clear enough that it's not just my hitting but the CPU's as well. Out the 27 outs recorded in a game I would say 12-15 are slow grounders to 1st or 3rd base. I think there is just something wrong with the way the ball reacts off of the bat. I've been watching the replays of hits a lot the last few games and there is a problem with the collision detection in this game. Many times the ball will actually go past the bat before it reacts to the swing other times the ball is clearly above or below the bat but still reacts as if being hit.
          As for the sliders I have tweaked the power down to 45. While it has lowered the HR totals of both myself and the CPU it still seems to high its single, single, HR, double, single, HR. If I give up or get 6-7 hits in a game 3 are HRs. I'm going to have to keep playing with this one.
          Even when I'm not "swinging at crap" the majority of the hits look the same. T2 needs to refine thier hitting system IMO.

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          • baa7
            Banned
            • Jul 2004
            • 11691

            #20
            Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

            Originally posted by Slats90
            Baa,

            Will be interested in hearing your results. I don't mind doing manual editing to every team if it is going to help with the realism factor in this game.

            Thanks
            Jeff
            You bet. And that's the key for me: realism, and realism in the hitting in particular. I really feel the game's starting to look like an actual baseball game and not just a HR, dribbler and screaming foul ball to the foul pole exhibition.

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            • baa7
              Banned
              • Jul 2004
              • 11691

              #21
              Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

              Originally posted by Slats90
              Baa,

              Will be interested in hearing your results. I don't mind doing manual editing to every team if it is going to help with the realism factor in this game.

              Thanks
              Jeff
              You bet. And that's the key for me: realism, and realism in the hitting in particular. I really feel the game's starting to look like an actual baseball game and not just a HR, dribbler and screaming foul ball to the foul pole exhibition.

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              • baa7
                Banned
                • Jul 2004
                • 11691

                #22
                Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                Originally posted by truckie16
                Out the 27 outs recorded in a game I would say 12-15 are slow grounders to 1st or 3rd base. I think there is just something wrong with the way the ball reacts off of the bat. As for the sliders I have tweaked the power down to 45. While it has lowered the HR totals of both myself and the CPU it still seems to high its single, single, HR, double, single, HR. If I give up or get 6-7 hits in a game 3 are HRs. I'm going to have to keep playing with this one.
                These are the problems I noticed out of the box, and why I've been tinkering with things. As I said, I believe a lot of the slow grounders are caused by the Sinker pitch: it's probably over-programmed to produce ground balls. Another thing: if the Contact slider is too low, my guess is the batter doesn't make... good contact, which could be causing the slow rollers as well. Again, I would try lowering AI Skill and raising AI Contact. See if that makes a difference. This doesn't help User hitting obviously, and that's one reason I'm looking at where individual ratings maybe should be. In the meantime I've got my User Contact slider @ 30 and I'm still hitting the ball lots. But part of that is True Aim batting is a lot easier than Cursor (game programming again).

                The big problem -- and I know you don't want to hear about editing ratings -- is that individual player Contact ratings don't just equate to contact ability, but they also add more power to the hitter. That's why pretty well every player in this game can crank them out of the park.

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                • baa7
                  Banned
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 11691

                  #23
                  Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                  Originally posted by truckie16
                  Out the 27 outs recorded in a game I would say 12-15 are slow grounders to 1st or 3rd base. I think there is just something wrong with the way the ball reacts off of the bat. As for the sliders I have tweaked the power down to 45. While it has lowered the HR totals of both myself and the CPU it still seems to high its single, single, HR, double, single, HR. If I give up or get 6-7 hits in a game 3 are HRs. I'm going to have to keep playing with this one.
                  These are the problems I noticed out of the box, and why I've been tinkering with things. As I said, I believe a lot of the slow grounders are caused by the Sinker pitch: it's probably over-programmed to produce ground balls. Another thing: if the Contact slider is too low, my guess is the batter doesn't make... good contact, which could be causing the slow rollers as well. Again, I would try lowering AI Skill and raising AI Contact. See if that makes a difference. This doesn't help User hitting obviously, and that's one reason I'm looking at where individual ratings maybe should be. In the meantime I've got my User Contact slider @ 30 and I'm still hitting the ball lots. But part of that is True Aim batting is a lot easier than Cursor (game programming again).

                  The big problem -- and I know you don't want to hear about editing ratings -- is that individual player Contact ratings don't just equate to contact ability, but they also add more power to the hitter. That's why pretty well every player in this game can crank them out of the park.

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                  • truckie16
                    Pro
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 597

                    #24
                    Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                    Originally posted by baa7
                    These are the problems I noticed out of the box, and why I've been tinkering with things. As I said, I believe a lot of the slow grounders are caused by the Sinker pitch: it's probably over-programmed to produce ground balls. Another thing: if the Contact slider is too low, my guess is the batter doesn't make... good contact, which could be causing the slow rollers as well. Again, I would try lowering AI Skill and raising AI Contact. See if that makes a difference. This doesn't help User hitting obviously, and that's one reason I'm looking at where individual ratings maybe should be. In the meantime I've got my User Contact slider @ 30 and I'm still hitting the ball lots. But part of that is True Aim batting is a lot easier than Cursor (game programming again).

                    The big problem -- and I know you don't want to hear about editing ratings -- is that individual player Contact ratings don't just equate to contact ability, but they also add more power to the hitter. That's why pretty well every player in this game can crank them out of the park.

                    I'll try lowering the AI skill and upping the contact and see what that does.

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                    • truckie16
                      Pro
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 597

                      #25
                      Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                      Originally posted by baa7
                      These are the problems I noticed out of the box, and why I've been tinkering with things. As I said, I believe a lot of the slow grounders are caused by the Sinker pitch: it's probably over-programmed to produce ground balls. Another thing: if the Contact slider is too low, my guess is the batter doesn't make... good contact, which could be causing the slow rollers as well. Again, I would try lowering AI Skill and raising AI Contact. See if that makes a difference. This doesn't help User hitting obviously, and that's one reason I'm looking at where individual ratings maybe should be. In the meantime I've got my User Contact slider @ 30 and I'm still hitting the ball lots. But part of that is True Aim batting is a lot easier than Cursor (game programming again).

                      The big problem -- and I know you don't want to hear about editing ratings -- is that individual player Contact ratings don't just equate to contact ability, but they also add more power to the hitter. That's why pretty well every player in this game can crank them out of the park.

                      I'll try lowering the AI skill and upping the contact and see what that does.

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                      • Rickster101
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 4203

                        #26
                        Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                        I'm not too much worried about the games play and the sliders its only a matter of time before a truly solid set comes about if one isn't out there already that should be no problem.

                        What has me pissed at times with the game is these terrible cameras it just pisses me off and I guess you could say it all but kills things for me well not actually kills but more so frustrates me to the point I find it very lacking in some aspects on that point other then that I do love the views but feel more could have been done to present a view more like the "Broadcast" cameras in MVP.

                        Bottom line the cameras should have included that broadcast camera which is sorley missing IMO the other items mentioned here can be fixed and worked on as they always are but not having a decent broadcast camera is almost unforgiveble...just my opinion as far as whats "killing" it for me.(more like frustrates not killing)



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                        • Rickster101
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 4203

                          #27
                          Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                          I'm not too much worried about the games play and the sliders its only a matter of time before a truly solid set comes about if one isn't out there already that should be no problem.

                          What has me pissed at times with the game is these terrible cameras it just pisses me off and I guess you could say it all but kills things for me well not actually kills but more so frustrates me to the point I find it very lacking in some aspects on that point other then that I do love the views but feel more could have been done to present a view more like the "Broadcast" cameras in MVP.

                          Bottom line the cameras should have included that broadcast camera which is sorley missing IMO the other items mentioned here can be fixed and worked on as they always are but not having a decent broadcast camera is almost unforgiveble...just my opinion as far as whats "killing" it for me.(more like frustrates not killing)



                          Holla Back ya'll
                          Rickster101
                          The One and Only
                          "Class is now in session"
                          ____________________
                          Now currently playing:NCAA 2009 Madden 2009 EA SPORTS HEAD COACH ESPN NFL 2K5/6/7,ESPN NBA 2K8,NBA Live09

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                          • truckie16
                            Pro
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 597

                            #28
                            Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                            Yeah, I guess saying it's killing the game for me was a bit of an overstatement. It just drains from the realism and makes for boring play at times. Ill keep working on a way around it.

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                            • truckie16
                              Pro
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 597

                              #29
                              Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                              Yeah, I guess saying it's killing the game for me was a bit of an overstatement. It just drains from the realism and makes for boring play at times. Ill keep working on a way around it.

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                              • baa7
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 11691

                                #30
                                Re: One thing that is killing this game for me!

                                Originally posted by Slats90
                                Baa,

                                Will be interested in hearing your results. I don't mind doing manual editing to every team if it is going to help with the realism factor in this game.

                                Thanks
                                Jeff
                                Last night I took my 85-25-15-10 (Contact-2B-3B-HR) batting ratings roster and changed those numbers to 65-45-35-30. First thing I noticed: a LOT more weakly hit balls through the infield. So there does seem to be a relationship between lower Contact ratings and Contact slider, and the high number of dribblers that occur.

                                And I saw more high-fly power shots to the outfield. That's the 2B rating kicking in. It seems to add loft and "hit-the gaps" potential to the ball (a kind of pre-determined game programming, unfortunately and from the looks of it). Both the 2B and 3B batting ratings indirectly determine whether a player is a fly ball or ground ball hitter it seems. So just like the FPS and Hard Ball series, a person could more or less program specific players to be primarily ground ball or fly ball hitters, just by assigning 2B and 3B ratings. And HR ratings probably, but I haven't been checking the effects of those yet.

                                My concern is the increase in weakly hit balls, versus the high-fly power shots and the fact there's this sudden drop in hit variety when lowering Contact ratings. What I did to fix that is raise the AI Contact up to 95 and drop AI Skill to 50. I tried that for a bit and I did see less bloop grounders.

                                Unlike Rick (the eternal slider optimist :-) I don't think this game can be saved with sliders. The actual programming seems messed up -- too much Power assigned to the higher Contact ratings, for example. This is similar to but different than NFL 2K5. That game was ratched out of the box, with some serious programming imbalances that could be half-rescued with sliders @ 0 plus ratings edits. But from what I've seen so far, this game will never play as realistically as NFL 2K5 did even after editing, let alone relying on a slider fix only. A very unfortunate by-prodiuuct of rushing this game onto the market... though I still like the game for some odd reason -- John and Joe have a lot to do with that I think :-)

                                Anyway, bottom line: if using default rosters, try AI Contact @ 95 or even 100, and lower the AI Skill slider until just before the CPU always strikes out (30-40?) That might get rid of some of the dribblers at least.

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