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  • acarrero
    Pro
    • Nov 2004
    • 432

    #1

    Absolutely Unplayable

    Today is probably the last time I will play this game. It's not a challenge, it's not realistic, it's not fun. Keep all your pitches down and you will win every time. Avoid mistakes - which is very easy with z-zone, and you will shut out the CPU. Try it, just keep all your pitches down. I've been frustrated with the ease of pitching in this game since I got it. I've tried classic and K-zone. Today, I set it on legend, with AI skill and contact at 100 and power at 90, and I threw a complete game shutout with k-zone and won 1-0. Can't think of anything else to improve my experience except maybe changing the speed of the k-zone to the max to force me to make more mistakes. But regardless, I already know that trying to keep all the pitches down will give me auto-success.
  • koolbubbaice
    MVP
    • May 2004
    • 2236

    #2
    Re: Absolutely Unplayable

    Originally posted by acarrero
    Today is probably the last time I will play this game. It's not a challenge, it's not realistic, it's not fun. Keep all your pitches down and you will win every time. Avoid mistakes - which is very easy with z-zone, and you will shut out the CPU. Try it, just keep all your pitches down. I've been frustrated with the ease of pitching in this game since I got it. I've tried classic and K-zone. Today, I set it on legend, with AI skill and contact at 100 and power at 90, and I threw a complete game shutout with k-zone and won 1-0. Can't think of anything else to improve my experience except maybe changing the speed of the k-zone to the max to force me to make more mistakes. But regardless, I already know that trying to keep all the pitches down will give me auto-success.
    You don't have to use k zone pitching my friend. The game gives you two other pitching methods..
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    • baa7
      Banned
      • Jul 2004
      • 11691

      #3
      Re: Absolutely Unplayable

      I use classic pitching with AI Skill @ 30, AI Contact @ 90 and AI Power @ 50 (although I’m thinking of lowering that to 45). If I keep my pitches up, the CPU wins by 4-6 runs. If I keep my pitches down, The CPU wins by 2-4 runs. Other than the fact that I apparently can’t play this game, this game is FAR from unplayable ;-)

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      • brudjazz
        Banned
        • Nov 2004
        • 631

        #4
        Re: Absolutely Unplayable

        Doesn't matter. Keeping the ball down in all the other pitching modes has the same effect. The game sucks, in terms of realism and playability, plain and simple.

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        • baa7
          Banned
          • Jul 2004
          • 11691

          #5
          Re: Absolutely Unplayable

          Originally posted by brudjazz
          Doesn't matter. Keeping the ball down in all the other pitching modes has the same effect. The game sucks, in terms of realism and playability, plain and simple.
          Really? And all this time it was working fine for me. Plus I was really ENJOYING the game... and now it sucks (apparently). Darn! ;-)

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          • Neolithic
            Pro
            • Apr 2003
            • 699

            #6
            Re: Absolutely Unplayable

            hmmm...and to think, I gave up 3 homeruns with Maddux pitching the bottom of the zone. Not to mention with Wood and Zambrano.

            The game has some glitches that do hamper it. But FAR from unplayable
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            • jmw1137
              *t's g*nn* b* L*g*nd*ry
              • Mar 2003
              • 1119

              #7
              Re: Absolutely Unplayable

              Yep...I get home runs hit off me no matter where I pitch....you must be doing something wrong. Game is far from unplayable. I personally have played at least 100 games and I enjoy myself every time (except for the few times I play idiots on XBox Live).

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              • acarrero
                Pro
                • Nov 2004
                • 432

                #8
                Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                It's just not working for me. I was a huge fan of WS2K3, thought it was the best baseball game ever released on the PS2. But the AI in this game is not as smart as it was then. I pitch the same way I did back then with classic and the outcome is much more unpredictable. I just got Winning Eleven 8 and I'm in year 3 of my CH2K5 Rice dynasty, I don't have time to experiment with that many sliders. And as far as I can tell, nobody has seen a CPI AI smart enough to guess low all the time if that is all that is thrown to you! This guessing AI is just not good, doesn't matter what you do with the sliders. I'm considering MVP or MLB.
                Last edited by acarrero; 04-17-2005, 08:03 PM.

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                • jim416
                  Banned
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 10606

                  #9
                  Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                  When I hear that guys are just too good pitching I can only assume that they are taking their absolute time and trying to pinpoint EVERY pitch. Try what I do (after using your sliders) just flick your left stick in the area you want to pitch and let 'er go. Don't spend time trying to pinpoint pitches.

                  I had a great game last night, 6-4. I bet if you put the game on LEGEND the CPU will clobber you. You must just be trying to be too fine with everything you throw up there. And you're not taking advantage of sliders.

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                  • acarrero
                    Pro
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 432

                    #10
                    Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                    Because I've been playing with classic for a couple of years, I'm pretty good at knowing my spots (I don't use a cursor or vibration). The problem is that this year's version, unlike years past, doesn't really take a pitchers individual control into consideration nor does it provide a shrinking control zone for the pitchers (as their confidence and stamina vary).

                    It's too easy to have good control. It used to be that if you started off poorly, the zone would shrink and you would walk people or get hit hard, now it's impossible to walk people unintentionally. With k-zone, some of that is considered, but it is still too easy to pick your spots.

                    Keep in mind that I did use the Marlins as my dynasty, and their starters are dominant in real life, so I guess all the complete game shutouts aren't as unrealistic when using that staff. But my main complaint is that classic pitching ain't what it used to be (too easy, no walks, not as deep as before), and any pitching mode in this game is weak due to the poor AI when it comes to guessing pitch location.

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #11
                      Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                      I dunno I wouldn't say the game is unplayable. In fact i'm enjoying it very much. Right now in my career i'm on the verge of getting a playoff spot however my pitching and hitting have gone down the tubes. The game is challenging at least to me.
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                      • aholbert32
                        (aka Alberto)
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 33106

                        #12
                        Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                        Originally posted by acarrero
                        It's just not working for me. I was a huge fan of WS2K3, thought it was the best baseball game ever released on the PS2. But the AI in this game is not as smart as it was then. I pitch the same way I did back then with classic and the outcome is much more unpredictable. I just got Winning Eleven 8 and I'm in year 3 of my CH2K5 Rice dynasty, I don't have time to experiment with that many sliders. And as far as I can tell, nobody has seen a CPI AI smart enough to guess low all the time if that is all that is thrown to you! This guessing AI is just not good, doesn't matter what you do with the sliders. I'm considering MVP or MLB.
                        People! HE DOESNT USE SLIDERS! That should be the end of the conversation right there. If you are having too much success with anything in this or any sports game, you should adjust sliders to make it harder.

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                        • acarrero
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 432

                          #13
                          Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          People! HE DOESNT USE SLIDERS! That should be the end of the conversation right there. If you are having too much success with anything in this or any sports game, you should adjust sliders to make it harder.
                          If you read the original post, I said I moved AI contact to 100, AI power at 90, and AI skill at 100 when I won 1-0 using K-zone. I've tried most of the sliders, but there isn't a slider that makes the CPU better at guessing a pitches location unfortunately (as the AI skill one doesn't help if you pitch low). Everything at 100 in legend = no difference if you pitch low. Throw 100% of your pitches down and away and tell me what result you get. Try it.

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                          • aholbert32
                            (aka Alberto)
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 33106

                            #14
                            Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                            Originally posted by acarrero
                            If you read the original post, I said I moved AI contact to 100, AI power at 90, and AI skill at 100 when I won 1-0 using K-zone. I've tried most of the sliders, but there isn't a slider that makes the CPU better at guessing a pitches location unfortunately (as the AI skill one doesn't help if you pitch low). Everything at 100 in legend = no difference if you pitch low. Throw 100% of your pitches down and away and tell me what result you get. Try it.
                            I dont have to try it. I use some of the sliders provided in the forum and i give up homers no matter where i throw it. Arod hit a 2 run blast off of me yesterday on a fast ball down and away and Ordonez hit one off me when i threw him a change up down and away. I get hits and homers off of me no matter where I throw using classic pitching.

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                            • Neolithic
                              Pro
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 699

                              #15
                              Re: Absolutely Unplayable

                              what are your pitching sliders at?
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