mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

[IvanCalderon90]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Mk, my goal is to have every player on the 40 man roster in the game (I will need help with ratings/not very good at it), accurate contracts, correct AAA rosters. Every level (MLB, AAA, AA, A) will have 13 hitters and 12 pitchers. Every prospect off mlb.com's top 10 team prospects will be in the game. I will try my best with the prospects' ratings; when I am finished I will provide a list of the my added 40 man roster players and prospects if anyone wants to tweak their ratings.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Here is what my testing came up with back when the game came out. All I did was input the simulated stats compared to the contact rating and made a line through the middle and used that formula. Obviously the higher numbers are flawed, but like I said that's because of the simulation engine.

.311 99
.309 98
.307 97
.306 96
.304 95
.303 94
.301 93
.299 92
.298 91
.296 90
.295 89
.293 88
.291 87
.290 86
.288 85
.287 84
.285 83
.283 82
.282 81
.280 80
.279 79
.277 78
.275 77
.274 76
.272 75
.271 74
.269 73
.267 72
.266 71
.264 70
.263 69
.261 68
.259 67
.258 66
.256 65
.255 64
.253 63
.251 62
.250 61
.248 60
.247 59
.245 58
.243 57
.242 56
.240 55
.239 54
.237 53
.235 52
.234 51
.232 50

Thanks. Good input. But in my opinion 2k did a bad job when it is really like this. The simulation engine seems rather broken. What would have Ichiro, Bonds or Chipper Jones been when they were hittin .360-.370?
.311 the highest? LMFAO 2k

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

I simulated a season myself and can say that the contact rating does NOT really that much affect simulated games.
I used the default rosters.

Look at this:
Neil Walker with 77/76 contact vs. LHP/RHP hit .200 over the whole season.
Will Venable with 55/67 contact vs. LHP/RHP hit .255 over the whole season.
Curtis Granderson with 61/71 contact vs. LHP/RHP hit .276 over the whole season.
Juan Uribe with 68/69 and Starlin Castro with 89/82 vs. LHP/RHP BOTH hit .292 over the whole season.
Miguel Olivo with 74/67 vs. LHP/RHP hit .297 over the whole season.
Jeff Francoeur with 78/63 vs. LHP/RHP hit .300 over the whole season.
Carlos Ruiz with 79/70 vs. LHP/RHP hit .313 over the whole season being 5th.
1st Billy Butler with 87/88 hitting .325
2nd Robinson Cano with 83/91 hitting .323
3rd AJ Pierczinski with 75/70 hitting .319
4th Adrian Gonzalez with 78/82 hiting .314

Regarding homeruns (I use the overall power rating):
1st Ryan Howard, 95 power, 42 HR 624 at bats
2nd Jose Bautista, 96 power, 39 HR 631 at bats
3rd Mark Reynolds, 99 power, 38 HR 646 at bats
4th Joey Votto, 96 power, 37 HR 626 at bats
5th Torii Hunter, 76 power, 37 HR 604 at bats
6th Adrian Gonzalez, 89 power, 36 HR 638 at bats
...
Matt Kemp, 89 power, 26 HR 570 at bats, and Geovany Soto, 79 power, 26 HR 581 at bats.
Carlos Lee, 77 power, 25 HR 532 at bats, and Josh Hamilton, 24 HR, 602 at bats.
Although the power stats seems more precisely converted into stats there are also many surprises.

By the way Torri Hunter had the best SLG and OPS - with 77 contact and 76 power.

What I also realized was that there a little bit too much stolen bases and attempts.

Pitching:
Let's look at SP's ERA:
1st Ted Lilly 82 Overall, 82 Control, 2.02 ERA
2nd Jonathan Sanchez 85 Overall, 81 Control, 2.38 ERA
3rd Justin Verlander 93 Overall, 87 Control, 2.44 ERA
4th Brian Duensig 80 Overall, 74 Control, 2.45 ERA
5h Matt Garza 85 Overall, 74 Control, 2.45 ERA
...
7th Jason Hammel 80 Overall, 75 Control, 2.58 ERA
...
18th Rick Porcello 80 Overall, 80 Control, 2.89 ERA
19th Stephen Strasbourg 89 Overall, 83 Control, 2.91 ERA
...
21th Zack Greinke 92 Overall, 87 Control, 2.93 ERA
...
25th Bud Norris 80 Overall, 67 Control, 3.02 ERA
...
27th Cliff Lee 95 Overall, 96 Control, 3.06 ERA
...
32nd Tim Lincecum 95 Overall, 89 Control, 3.18 ERA
...

This also looks somehow random and not so much rating affected as one could expect.

Let's look at WHIP:
This looks better, can be compared to batting power. But there are also some surprises as Brian Duensig or Josh Hammel both have a WHIP of 1.19.

What also doesn't look good is the k/9:
Jonathan Sanchez, Chad Billingsley, Ryan Dempster, Jorge de la Rosa are all in the top ten in this section.

Jonathan Sanchez leads the .baa. 4th is Carlos Zambrano. 5th Anibal Sanchez. 6th Brian Duensing. All way better than Cliff Lee, Roy Halladay, Matt Cain or Tim Lincecum.

Well it seems that ratings do not too much affect simulated games.
But they surely affect PLAYED games.

[brewercrew19]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Thanks. Good input. But in my opinion 2k did a bad job when it is really like this. The simulation engine seems rather broken. What would have Ichiro, Bonds or Chipper Jones been when they were hittin .360-.370?
.311 the highest? LMFAO 2k

I really disagree with it being broken. The team stats are typically very close to real life (as pointed out in various OS threads), but the problem is there aren't enough monster seasons and the top players are too bunched together. There's always luck involved. So you figure there's naturally going to be at least +/- .02 points and the ratings will (at least should) never be absolute. If you scale 99 to .360, then what's .300? 75? what's .240, 50? I also don't think it's a straight .002 point in average to BA rating, it's not that simple. I've seen several players go over .311 in simulation (but too few in my opinion and too eratic with the better players, pitchers are even more screwy).

I also suspect the "hot/cold" feature this year is messing with things. I've noticed a lot of the marginal players getting hot and staying hot all year and the good players getting cold and staying cold all year. I think it looks at their stats and compares them to the ratings then gives them a boost or penalty. Which then often snowballs (like Pujols rarely leads the league in BA even when he was the best rated at the start of the year, I think he's always cold because he's often hitting less than a 99 hitter should and maybe never getting a bonus for hitting "better" than a 99 hitter should). On the other hand, I see crummy BA with some pop middle infielders like Uribe, Betancourt, and Espinosa have career years way too frequently (maybe the power figures into the hot streak).

[cubsfan203]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Thanks. Good input. But in my opinion 2k did a bad job when it is really like this. The simulation engine seems rather broken. What would have Ichiro, Bonds or Chipper Jones been when they were hittin .360-.370?
.311 the highest? LMFAO 2k

It's not necessarily that .311 is the highest, but more what it averages out to. For example there was probably a guy hitting .350, but another only hitting .260. I think the other ratings affect averages a lot more than in past games, but honestly I don't have the time or will to test all of that out.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

It's not necessarily that .311 is the highest, but more what it averages out to. For example there was probably a guy hitting .350, but another only hitting .260. I think the other ratings affect averages a lot more than in past games, but honestly I don't have the time or will to test all of that out.

Ah okay now I got it. Sorry, I am not a native English speaker. :o
Hm, don't know if that is true, see my testings above.
Your second thought,that other ratings affect averages a lot more than in past games, seems right to me.

I really disagree with it being broken. The team stats are typically very close to real life (as pointed out in various OS threads), but the problem is there aren't enough monster seasons and the top players are too bunched together. There's always luck involved. So you figure there's naturally going to be at least +/- .02 points and the ratings will (at least should) never be absolute. If you scale 99 to .360, then what's .300? 75? what's .240, 50? I also don't think it's a straight .002 point in average to BA rating, it's not that simple. I've seen several players go over .311 in simulation (but too few in my opinion and too eratic with the better players, pitchers are even more screwy).

I also suspect the "hot/cold" feature this year is messing with things. I've noticed a lot of the marginal players getting hot and staying hot all year and the good players getting cold and staying cold all year. I think it looks at their stats and compares them to the ratings then gives them a boost or penalty. Which then often snowballs (like Pujols rarely leads the league in BA even when he was the best rated at the start of the year, I think he's always cold because he's often hitting less than a 99 hitter should and maybe never getting a bonus for hitting "better" than a 99 hitter should). On the other hand, I see crummy BA with some pop middle infielders like Uribe, Betancourt, and Espinosa have career years way too frequently (maybe the power figures into the hot streak).

Nice post.

To your first paragraph I'd like to say that I don't think it is broken. It WOULD be broken if the engine would be reacting like the post that I referred to stated. I agree with you on the cold/hot streaks having major influences on this years game. I said that in a post myself I can't imagine how Torii Hunter otherwise could have gotten the best SLG and OPS...
So there is nevertheless a need to give the players realistic ratings. The more realistic they are the better the chance that they don't **** over with hot or cold streaks over weeks or even months.
I remember when buying the game I had lots of problems hitting with Pablo Sandoval. He got a cold streak and even some games with runs and homers didn't get him out of the slump.
But I somehow managed to get hit after hit with Eli Whiteside. On one point at the season Sandoval was at a high 50 contact rating and Whiteside over 70.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

One addition: I have some spare time today.
Perhaps I will use the default roster and compare the ratings to the stats of last season. If I find something out, I will let you know immediately!


!! EDIT !!
First look at the top-rated contact-players (regular season stats of 2010 at the right):

Contact vs. RHP:
J. Mauer	99		304 AB, 50 RBI, 6.1 AB/RBI, .365
J. Hamilton	98		352 AB, 77 RBI, 4.6 AB/RBI, .401
J. Votto	95		349 AB, 81 RBI, 4.3 AB/RBI, .347
Ichiro		94		450 AB, 28 RBI, 16.1 AB/RBI, .318
M. Cabrera	93		420 AB, 98 RBI, 4.3 AB/RBI, .333
C. Gonzalez	93		365 AB, 75 RBI, 4.9 AB/RBI, .345
A. Pujols	92		417 AB, 80 RBI, 5.2 AB/RBI, .314
R. Cano		91		412 AB, 66 RBI, 6.2 AB/RBI, .337
J. Mourneau	90		176 AB, 36 RBI, 4.9 AB/RBI, .358
C. Crawford	90		397 AB, 57 RBI, 6.9 AB/RBI, .332

Contact vs. LHP:
K. Youkilis	97		89 AB, 23 RBI, 3.9 AB/RBI, .404
M. Ordonez	96		70 AB, 11 RBI, 6.4 AB/RBI, .371
A. Pujols	95		170 AB, 38 RBI, 4.5 AB/RBI, .306
M. Cabrera	92		128 AB, 28 RBI, 4.6 AB/RBI, .313
J. Mauer	91		206 AB, 25 RBI, 8.2 AB/RBI, .272
M. Holliday	91		86 AB, 10 RBI, 8.6 AB/RBI, .256
V. Martinez	91		155 AB, 39 RBI, 3.9 AB/RBI, .400
Ichiro		90		230 AB, 15 RBI, 15.3 AB/RBI, .309
D. Wright	90		127 AB, 26 RBI, 4.9 AB/RBI, .339
T. Tulowitzki	90		146 AB, 28 RBI, 5.2 AB/RBI, .342

Look at J. Mauer, Ichiro and M. Holliday. I have simply NO clue why they are rated so high. Maybe because of previous seasons?

Besides that it seems that the contact rating is based on the batting avg. AND the RBIs.

I will search for some high avg. batting/low RBI guys and some low avg./high RBI guys.

!! EDIT II !!

Hmm...history?

J. Buck hit .409 vs. LHP with 22 RBI in 88 AB, 4.0 AB/RBI, which is nearly identical with K. Youkilis. But J. Buck only has a 79 contact rating ingame. J. Buck hit about only .200 the year before against LHP. Perhaps this is the reason.

D. Valencia hit .374 vs. LHP with 16 RBI in 99 AB, 6.2 AB/RBI, which is nearly identical with M. Ordonez. Perhaps Valencia is lower because he was a rookie last year. In opposition to Valencia, Ordonez was hitting well the last 4-5 years, every year way above .300 vs. LHP.

Regarding Ichiro I assume something similar. Ichiro didn’t hit that bad in 2010, but you won’t expect the ratings above when you solely look at his stats of that year and compare them to those oft he other players. But when you take a look at 2009, Ichiro was hitting better .339 vs. LHP and .359 vs. RHP.

That history counts in there becomes obvious with Joe Mauer. 2010 was one year after his very strong 2009 season, where he was called AL MVP. Also he was the AL Batting Champion 2009, 2008 and 2006.

So it seems that the contact rating is somehow based on the player’s batting average, his at bats per runs batted in and the previous seasons.

To be honest:
I don’t think there is a formula or something like that…and I would assume that this is done so with every player and every rating. Somehow makes sense (regarding cold and hot streaks), somehow not.

!! EDIT III !!
It becomes more and more obvious. The ratings are heavily affected by the performances of previous seasons.

Power vs. RHP:
R. Howard	99		2010: 18.8 AB/HR		2009: 10.1 AB/HR	2008: 11.0 AB/HR
A. Pujols	98		2010: 17.4 AB/HR		2009: 12.4 AB/HR	2008: 14.1 AB/HR
A. Dunn		97		2010: 13.5 AB/HR		2009: 12.8 AB/HR	2008: 12.1 AB/HR
C. Pena		96		2010: 16.4 AB/HR		2009: 11.3 AB/HR	2008: 13.5 AB/HR
P. Fielder	96		2010: 14.0 AB/HR		2009: 12.5 AB/HR	2008: 16.0 AB/HR
J. Bautista	96		2010: 10.0 AB/HR		2009: 30.4 AB/HR	2008: 43.7 AB/HR
J. Votto	95		2010: 12.0 AB/HR		2009: 18.1 AB/HR	2008: 22.8 AB/HR
J. Thome	95		2010: 9.9 AB/HR			2009: 15.1 AB/HR	2008: 14.9 AB/HR
M. Cabrera	95		2010: 13.1 AB/HR		2009: 17.3 AB/HR	2008: 16.6 AB/HR
R. Branyan	94		2010: 14.5 AB/HR		2009: 13.0 AB/HR	2008: 9.8 AB/HR

I think I don't need to go deeper into ratings/stats.

I think it would be possible to find something like a formula for us editors, but it is simply impossible to find out the formulas 2k has used.


!! QUESTIONS !!
But I got some question regarding pitchers.
I have no clue where the composure of the pitchers comes from. Does anybody have an idea?

Control seems obvious. There is a website out there (http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx...705&position=P) that provides infos.

CONR, CONL and POWR, POWL are most likely based on ERA, baa, hr allowed.

Can someone explain me, why Shawn Camp has a COMP of 98? Brett Myers 99?

[brewercrew19]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Yeah, the start of the season ratings were clearly all weighted three year averages. But over the year the updates seem more like haphazard changes based on people whining and global updates. Also, beware of being tricked by small sample sizes (like vs. lefties). I think they do like the overall batting average rating based on 3-year and then adjust the split based on career vs. LH and convential wisdom (lefties don't hit better off lefties, at best they're even with their vs. right rating).

No idea on COMP. Maybe because they're old? I think all it does it make your controller vibrate.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Okay thanx. The ratings really look something like this ^^
Wondered why Tim Lincecum was as good vs. LHP as vs. RHP. In truth it simply isn't so. Seems 2k didn't care.
Why the heck do they implement so many ratings when they don't care...

[brewercrew19]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

I think it is what it is. Does the player get nervous when the inning is going to hell? Veterans, even crappy veterans like Camp and Myers (who both are probably completely used to being in jams with runners on base), are less likely to get nervous than younger players. At it's core (making the controller vibrate), it's kinda gimmicky to begin with. I'm not even sure if it does anything in sim or not. Maybe try cranking it all the way up or down? Only thing is pitchers are so eratic as it is, I'm not sure if you could even tell if that was the cause of any stat changes. Of course this thread thinks it causes pitchers to blow up so maybe I'm wrong...


http://www.operationsports.com/forum...re-zero-3.html

[mkharsh33]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Not totally sure what composure does in the sim-engine, but I know it's way overblown in the slider department. I have mine turned way down because it really can destroy an inning, but want it to also matter a bit because at zero it was useless. But I guess that's a small issue in the big picture of things as this game is very fun to play.

[wudl83]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Okay thx again for your input. I set my composure sliders down to 5 because I had too much blowout innings as the pitcher's started to rattle. 0 is too low and 5 seems still too high. Perhaps 2.5 would be perferct.

[x McLovin x]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

First post on OS but I have been keeping track of this thread for quite some time now. I just want to thank mkharsh33, LTrain8, as well as anyone else who is on board with the roster updates. I know that they are time-consuming and I really appreciate the work you guys have done. I think I speak for most 2k11 fans when I say thanks for making our experience so much better.

I am really excited about the new system being considered and I hope all is going well on that front. Can't wait to download it.

[mkharsh33]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Any word on how the update is coming along?? It's been a few weeks and nothing reported back... Is this now a dead issue?

(I haven't touched any rosters because of the promised update that would be coming from the offer here. thanks!). Just curious...

[IvanCalderon90]

Re: mkharsh33 MLB 2K11 ROSTERS (360 ONLY)

Should be another week or two; working very long hours and traveling long distances so i have not had a lot of free time.