Blazzen's Slider Research Thread

**mkharsh33** · 07-10-2009, 11:02 AM

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very nice! appreciate you putting this together. i've made me a copy of this and am looking things over - will give yours a try. i always like these comparisons as it helps make sense of what people are thinking on certain things. i'm not quite happy with my own set - want a challenge mixed with realism, but simulation all the way.

thanks!

**ckarlic** · 07-10-2009, 11:46 AM

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Originally posted by mkharsh33

very nice! appreciate you putting this together. i've made me a copy of this and am looking things over - will give yours a try. i always like these comparisons as it helps make sense of what people are thinking on certain things. i'm not quite happy with my own set - want a challenge mixed with realism, but simulation all the way.

thanks!

Looks great!! Just picked up this game Yesterday and will give these a go sometime this weekend

**jkra0512** · 07-10-2009, 12:55 PM

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First off, great job putting this all in one spot. Secondly, I thought Holy Grails' sliders were for classic hitting?

**Blazzen** · 07-10-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by jkra0512

First off, great job putting this all in one spot. Secondly, I thought Holy Grails' sliders were for classic hitting?

You are 100% correct sir, my mistake. That explains the odd slider values in his set.

The file has been updated. Note this did change some of the "Blazzen" slider values slightly.

Also, I changed the excel version to 97-2003 workbook. I went home at lunch and my home PC doesn't have Excel 2007 and it wouldn't open. So it should open for everyone now.

**Blazzen** · 07-13-2009, 08:15 AM

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Busy weekend - out of town for a wedding but I did get a few games in over the course of the week.

My Braves franchise pretty much keeps up with the RL schedule though I'm a week or two behind because I had to send the Xbox off for repair.

I played the phillies series, nats series and 1 game in the cubs series. I went 2-1 against the phillies, swept the nats and lost the first game to the cubs.

I'd say the only thing that's been a little low is user and cpu strike outs. The higher contact rating has a lot to do with that I imagine. I wasn't too patient pitching or at the plate either. I found you have to throw a certain amount of balls to the CPU to get strikeouts and I was throwing too many first pitch fastballs for strikes. I was also jumping on a lot of first pitch fastballs from the CPU. I'm considering lowering the CPU strike zone down to 0.

I also lowered user errors to 30. 50 was too high.

Overall the slider set is working out pretty well and I will continue to use it. Let me know how its working out for everyone else!

**mkharsh33** · 07-13-2009, 10:06 AM

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agree with your thoughts...and i've also lowered cpu strike zone to zero - it's amazing the difference between 5 and 0 on that particular slider...much more true to life.

thanks again for sharing that spreadsheet - i made a copy and it was very helpful to see them lined up side by side.

**Blazzen** · 07-13-2009, 10:26 AM

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Originally posted by mkharsh33

agree with your thoughts...and i've also lowered cpu strike zone to zero - it's amazing the difference between 5 and 0 on that particular slider...much more true to life.

thanks again for sharing that spreadsheet - i made a copy and it was very helpful to see them lined up side by side.

I also bumped up CPU pitch success from 60 to 65. It was honestly right in the middle with the averaging (62.5) and I decided to go lower. Now that I've played a few games I decided to go to 65.

I'm going to leave the spreadsheet the same, but I'm going to post the "Blazzen" sliders in the first thread and keep them up to date as I tweak them.

**mkharsh33** · 07-13-2009, 01:10 PM

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good deal...i'll note the change. funny, but i've done so much roster editing lately that i haven't actually played any games...

**Blazzen** · 07-16-2009, 08:23 AM

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UPDATE:

So far the CPU has scored at most 4 runs on me. I've played 10 games with the sliders so far and I'm 8-2 (Went 2-1 vs. Phillies, 3-0 vs Nats, 2-1 vs Cubs and now 2-0 vs Rockies) but one game against the Cubs was simulated which I won. The Braves do have really good pitching though.

My last 2 games have been against the Rockies. Vazquez went 7 innings giving up 1 run - I ended up winning the game 6-1. Todd Helton doubled in a run in the 7th for the only Rockies run. I bunched singles and doubles along with the help of 4 walks and 2 hit batsman to get my 6 runs against whoever the right handed sinker baller they have is. The next game I won 6-0. Jurrjens (who was 5-8 with a 5.02 ERA coming into the game) threw a complete game shutout. 6ks, 5 hits, 0BB. I scored all 6 runs in one inning off whoever the hispanic sounding left handed starter they have is (I'm awful with names lol). McLouth had a lead off triple in the inning, Diaz had a bases loaded 3RBI double that inning which 2 of the 3 runners reached without a hit (BB and HBP). Think the line was something like:

Rockies 0 5 0
Braves 6 11 1

I'm kind of wondering if I need to raise the CPU batting to about what JBH3 uses (70, 60, 80 - it's currently at 60 60 75). Then again, the most offense I've put up is 6 runs and I've done that only twice. All of the other games I've won have been 4 run or less affairs which really has played out about how Braves games go. The CPU can't seem to bunch hits together and they also hit into a lot of double plays. I don't walk very many people at all either so that doesn't help the CPU's cause. I have given up home runs (a 3 run shot to Aramis Ramirez in the bottom of the 8th with Rafael Soriano trying to close out the cubs still lingers in my mind) but not that many, though, in RL the Braves give up the least homers in the majors I believe. I'm thinking I might just be on a hot streak because my overal record is only 8 games over .500, which I've gained 6 of those 8 in the last 10 games. The phillies have lost 6 straight which put me in first place for the first time all season with my last win!

I have 2 more games until the All Star Break (like I said I'm behind due to my Xbox having to be sent off for repair). I think I'll play these 2 games and if I don't see any more offense from the Rockies I may bump up the CPU batting a bit. I may also raise user pitch gesture as I believe this will cause more walks and more "meaty" pitches because right now I can paint the black a little bit too easy.

Thoughts?

**jake44np** · 07-16-2009, 10:16 AM

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I would have been really interested in this thread about 2 months ago. As it is now I am 150 games into my season and am struggling to finish. With Madden out in less then a month and NCAA Football already out I am about done with my baseball gaming for the year.
Your research looks and sounds great tho!

**mkharsh33** · 07-16-2009, 01:03 PM

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blazzen...

i'm going to post my updates...i'm finding that my offense is just too powerful...in back to back games as the rays, i've hit 23 and 17 hits - that's too much. but i believe i've found it for the opposing team's numbers.

i want them just right, but just can't seem to nail it...still tweaking, but i'll share what i have. got a meeting tonight, but should be home late and i'll put them here. they're close to yours, but i'm also looking at that spread sheet, trying to determine why guys have done what they have and using their thoughts.

**Blazzen** · 07-16-2009, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by mkharsh33

blazzen...

i'm going to post my updates...i'm finding that my offense is just too powerful...in back to back games as the rays, i've hit 23 and 17 hits - that's too much. but i believe i've found it for the opposing team's numbers.

i want them just right, but just can't seem to nail it...still tweaking, but i'll share what i have. got a meeting tonight, but should be home late and i'll put them here. they're close to yours, but i'm also looking at that spread sheet, trying to determine why guys have done what they have and using their thoughts.

Wow, that is a lot of offense but not completely unheard of. How many walks did you have? WHIP (walks + hits per inning pitched) is the big stat to look at. Whether it's CPU or User offense expect more hits than usual if you're seeing less walks than average (I think it's roughly 19 hits / 6 walks per game on average, that's total for both teams, 4 being doubles per game and like 1.5-2 homers).

I'm not sure how many games you've played but I wouldn't make any sweeping changes over 2 games. I think it'll take at least 10 to see any kind of trends and that's at the very minimum. Just think in RL of streaks teams have had. The rockies won how many games in a row two years ago? 20 something? Just sayin, sometimes you hit a streak of good or bad luck. When I initially switched to JBH3's sliders I played a Brewers team that was hot as hell and they hit 3, then 5, then 4 home runs and swept me. I threw a shutout the game after that. The sliders I'm using now aren't too far from JBH3's and I'm not seeing enough CPU offense so you just never know. Baseball is such an odd streaky game that it's really hard to get stats etc. right because they can vary so much from day to day.

Sliders will likely need to vary from user to user as well as which team the user plays with. I play with a Braves team who has good pitching but an anemic offense so your inflated offense numbers could be due to you either being better at the game or playing with a better offensive team.

This probably wasn't real helpful haha but I'm curious to see what your settings are so post 'em when you get a chance!

**kchuskey** · 07-16-2009, 01:48 PM

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Good luck with this research. You have flown into the Bermuda Triangle. You will be lost... tweaking and tweaking to get that perfect feel. Just when you think you have it nailed, you'll hit 8 HR's a game or have 27 hits. Then you will feel the need to tweak again. Never-ending. Sliders are like crack. Why do you think they are referred to as "tweaking"? Good luck with this..I have given up on sliders, and just play the game. Records are made to be broken. I would bet my salary that you don't even get one season completed..playing all 162 games without tweaking, after you think you have the "Final" set. Good luck.

**tril** · 07-17-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by kchuskey

Good luck with this research. You have flown into the Bermuda Triangle. You will be lost... tweaking and tweaking to get that perfect feel. Just when you think you have it nailed, you'll hit 8 HR's a game or have 27 hits. Then you will feel the need to tweak again. Never-ending. Sliders are like crack. Why do you think they are referred to as "tweaking"? Good luck with this..I have given up on sliders, and just play the game. Records are made to be broken. I would bet my salary that you don't even get one season completed..playing all 162 games without tweaking, after you think you have the "Final" set. Good luck.

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