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**Skyline** · 02-24-2004, 11:59 PM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

Please remember that I don't mean any disrespect at all. It may come off like it but I really admire and respect your work. I honestly believe that your system is a great foundation but I just did not agree with your final product.

I look forward to saving two roster files - yours and mine - and I will simulate a few seasons with both and will compare the results with you.

**sgBoston** · 02-25-2004, 02:41 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

**sgBoston** · 02-25-2004, 02:41 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

**sgBoston** · 02-25-2004, 02:41 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

**Skyline** · 02-25-2004, 04:16 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

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sgBoston said:
skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem man. I can't speak for GForce but helping you guys out helps me because I may overlook something that someone clear across the country may pick up on and it will only make the game that much better. I hope to have a few created players completely done within the first week. I am going to be experimenting with the simulation in MVP. I will make a few guys (Damian Miller, Cory Lidle, etc.) and simulate a season to test them. The idea is to make sure he will achieve the stats he does in real life. One tough thing is going to be trying to capture their batting stances or pitching wind-ups, I believe. If any of you find a picture of the batting stances of the non-MLBPA players listed on my website, please let me know because any bit will help authenticating each creation.

**Skyline** · 02-25-2004, 04:16 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sgBoston said:
skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem man. I can't speak for GForce but helping you guys out helps me because I may overlook something that someone clear across the country may pick up on and it will only make the game that much better. I hope to have a few created players completely done within the first week. I am going to be experimenting with the simulation in MVP. I will make a few guys (Damian Miller, Cory Lidle, etc.) and simulate a season to test them. The idea is to make sure he will achieve the stats he does in real life. One tough thing is going to be trying to capture their batting stances or pitching wind-ups, I believe. If any of you find a picture of the batting stances of the non-MLBPA players listed on my website, please let me know because any bit will help authenticating each creation.

**Skyline** · 02-25-2004, 04:16 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sgBoston said:
skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem man. I can't speak for GForce but helping you guys out helps me because I may overlook something that someone clear across the country may pick up on and it will only make the game that much better. I hope to have a few created players completely done within the first week. I am going to be experimenting with the simulation in MVP. I will make a few guys (Damian Miller, Cory Lidle, etc.) and simulate a season to test them. The idea is to make sure he will achieve the stats he does in real life. One tough thing is going to be trying to capture their batting stances or pitching wind-ups, I believe. If any of you find a picture of the batting stances of the non-MLBPA players listed on my website, please let me know because any bit will help authenticating each creation.

**phillyphanatic5** · 02-25-2004, 05:34 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyline said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sgBoston said:
skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem man. I can't speak for GForce but helping you guys out helps me because I may overlook something that someone clear across the country may pick up on and it will only make the game that much better. I hope to have a few created players completely done within the first week. I am going to be experimenting with the simulation in MVP. I will make a few guys (Damian Miller, Cory Lidle, etc.) and simulate a season to test them. The idea is to make sure he will achieve the stats he does in real life. One tough thing is going to be trying to capture their batting stances or pitching wind-ups, I believe. If any of you find a picture of the batting stances of the non-MLBPA players listed on my website, please let me know because any bit will help authenticating each creation.

<hr /></blockquote>im with you skyline....giving trot nixon a 100 in anything is just wrong as hell..hes a solid ballplayer...he aint roberto clemente....i also find your site easy to read and navigate through all the various player edits..foreign players...scabs....minors..etc.....i dont know why "some" others try to minimize what your doing...its perfect for me..i dont have a sharkport....or an ar for my xbox or ps2....and i dont want one..it seems to complicated when im a computer novice to begin with....i will be using your site almost exclusivly along with the gamefaq ..

**phillyphanatic5** · 02-25-2004, 05:34 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyline said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sgBoston said:
skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem man. I can't speak for GForce but helping you guys out helps me because I may overlook something that someone clear across the country may pick up on and it will only make the game that much better. I hope to have a few created players completely done within the first week. I am going to be experimenting with the simulation in MVP. I will make a few guys (Damian Miller, Cory Lidle, etc.) and simulate a season to test them. The idea is to make sure he will achieve the stats he does in real life. One tough thing is going to be trying to capture their batting stances or pitching wind-ups, I believe. If any of you find a picture of the batting stances of the non-MLBPA players listed on my website, please let me know because any bit will help authenticating each creation.

<hr /></blockquote>im with you skyline....giving trot nixon a 100 in anything is just wrong as hell..hes a solid ballplayer...he aint roberto clemente....i also find your site easy to read and navigate through all the various player edits..foreign players...scabs....minors..etc.....i dont know why "some" others try to minimize what your doing...its perfect for me..i dont have a sharkport....or an ar for my xbox or ps2....and i dont want one..it seems to complicated when im a computer novice to begin with....i will be using your site almost exclusivly along with the gamefaq ..

**phillyphanatic5** · 02-25-2004, 05:34 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyline said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
sgBoston said:
skyline and gforce, thanks for all the hard work.

I look forward to seeing the player ratings, as I will have to do it all myself on ps2.

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem man. I can't speak for GForce but helping you guys out helps me because I may overlook something that someone clear across the country may pick up on and it will only make the game that much better. I hope to have a few created players completely done within the first week. I am going to be experimenting with the simulation in MVP. I will make a few guys (Damian Miller, Cory Lidle, etc.) and simulate a season to test them. The idea is to make sure he will achieve the stats he does in real life. One tough thing is going to be trying to capture their batting stances or pitching wind-ups, I believe. If any of you find a picture of the batting stances of the non-MLBPA players listed on my website, please let me know because any bit will help authenticating each creation.

<hr /></blockquote>im with you skyline....giving trot nixon a 100 in anything is just wrong as hell..hes a solid ballplayer...he aint roberto clemente....i also find your site easy to read and navigate through all the various player edits..foreign players...scabs....minors..etc.....i dont know why "some" others try to minimize what your doing...its perfect for me..i dont have a sharkport....or an ar for my xbox or ps2....and i dont want one..it seems to complicated when im a computer novice to begin with....i will be using your site almost exclusivly along with the gamefaq ..

**pncbucs** · 02-25-2004, 07:04 AM

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Skyline said:
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muntz70 said:
Thanks for taking the time to break it down for us...

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem. It only took a couple minutes and it will help me out. I am just starting on Damian Miller's info (that I can put in at this time, when it comes to ratings, I will have to compare with that of other players).

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Yeah good work posting these, and also thanks to Steve. Unfortunately, unless I missed it, there are no screenshots of the pitcher's ratings? Oh well, I guess I can wait 13 more days to just get those myself. If I missed these could someone please tell me.

LOL

**pncbucs** · 02-25-2004, 07:04 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyline said:
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muntz70 said:
Thanks for taking the time to break it down for us...

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem. It only took a couple minutes and it will help me out. I am just starting on Damian Miller's info (that I can put in at this time, when it comes to ratings, I will have to compare with that of other players).

<hr /></blockquote>

Yeah good work posting these, and also thanks to Steve. Unfortunately, unless I missed it, there are no screenshots of the pitcher's ratings? Oh well, I guess I can wait 13 more days to just get those myself. If I missed these could someone please tell me.

LOL

**pncbucs** · 02-25-2004, 07:04 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyline said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
muntz70 said:
Thanks for taking the time to break it down for us...

<hr /></blockquote>

No problem. It only took a couple minutes and it will help me out. I am just starting on Damian Miller's info (that I can put in at this time, when it comes to ratings, I will have to compare with that of other players).

<hr /></blockquote>

Yeah good work posting these, and also thanks to Steve. Unfortunately, unless I missed it, there are no screenshots of the pitcher's ratings? Oh well, I guess I can wait 13 more days to just get those myself. If I missed these could someone please tell me.

LOL

**GForce22** · 02-25-2004, 10:53 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

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Skyline said:
You misunderstood me. I liked the basis of your model (developing ratings based upon league leaders, a la A-Rod) but I did not agree with assigning Trot Nixon 100 in any field.

You made really good points but I just did not agree with your final result. Hopefully, you understand what I mean and will see our final products will not be the same.

<hr /></blockquote>

And I didn't agree with assigning Nixon a 100 either, which I said in the post. It was designed as a fleshing out of ideas on the ratings, along with a later example, both of which I said I didn't agree with. Believe me, I've done this a LONG time with very accurate results. Trot Nixon will not be seeing 100, and I made that pretty clear. Which is why, when you say you disagree with my final result and use the Nixon reference, it's inaccurate because that is by no means the final result. There are many variables in my ratings that weren't even reflected in that example, and that was said as well. By calling that my final result, you're essentially given an incorrect impression that my ratings are flawed based on data I said was not going to be the final result. Others reading you saying that may think that WAS the final result of my ratings, which cuts down my work by making it out like my ratings system is flawed. With things like park effects, which I factor in to my ratings, absent from the game, everything would need to be adjusted anyway, which is why I have said several times I can't go getting into what my ratings are until I have the game.

GH

**GForce22** · 02-25-2004, 10:53 AM

Re: Create/Edit Player Options

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Skyline said:
You misunderstood me. I liked the basis of your model (developing ratings based upon league leaders, a la A-Rod) but I did not agree with assigning Trot Nixon 100 in any field.

You made really good points but I just did not agree with your final result. Hopefully, you understand what I mean and will see our final products will not be the same.

<hr /></blockquote>

And I didn't agree with assigning Nixon a 100 either, which I said in the post. It was designed as a fleshing out of ideas on the ratings, along with a later example, both of which I said I didn't agree with. Believe me, I've done this a LONG time with very accurate results. Trot Nixon will not be seeing 100, and I made that pretty clear. Which is why, when you say you disagree with my final result and use the Nixon reference, it's inaccurate because that is by no means the final result. There are many variables in my ratings that weren't even reflected in that example, and that was said as well. By calling that my final result, you're essentially given an incorrect impression that my ratings are flawed based on data I said was not going to be the final result. Others reading you saying that may think that WAS the final result of my ratings, which cuts down my work by making it out like my ratings system is flawed. With things like park effects, which I factor in to my ratings, absent from the game, everything would need to be adjusted anyway, which is why I have said several times I can't go getting into what my ratings are until I have the game.

GH

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