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  • NYJets
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jul 2002
    • 18637

    #46
    Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

    Originally posted by APD0290
    Sure a Travis Hafner or Hideki Matsui is more deserving, but as the 30th man, how much playing time will they see anyways? Perhaps 1 at-bat, if that?

    With Matsui or Hafner, getting them into the game would mean getting them an at-bat, taking away an AB from a better hitter. With Podsednik, you have someone who can come in late in the game, strictly as a pinch runner.
    True. But this is the all star game. I know it counts and all now, but the most deserving players should still go.
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    • Lintyfresh85
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      • Jul 2002
      • 17492

      #47
      Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

      Originally posted by APD0290
      Sure a Travis Hafner or Hideki Matsui is more deserving, but as the 30th man, how much playing time will they see anyways? Perhaps 1 at-bat, if that?

      With Matsui or Hafner, getting them into the game would mean getting them an at-bat, taking away an AB from a better hitter. With Podsednik, you have someone who can come in late in the game, strictly as a pinch runner.

      But that's where your theory is wrong, Hafner and Matsui each have much better numbers than Hillenbrand or Konerko(SP) so when they would bat for them they would actually be improving on the player they replaced.
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      • Porschebenz2001
        MVP
        • Nov 2004
        • 3628

        #48
        Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

        Originally posted by Superstar
        But that's where your theory is wrong, Hafner and Matsui each have much better numbers than Hillenbrand or Konerko(SP) so when they would bat for them they would actually be improving on the player they replaced.
        How did Shea Hillenbrand make the Allstar team over Travis Hafner?
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        • Porschebenz2001
          MVP
          • Nov 2004
          • 3628

          #49
          Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

          Was Morgan Ensberg in the fan vote? He should've been on the team originally, he got snubbed.
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          • Thrasha
            MVP
            • Nov 2004
            • 3374

            #50
            Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

            There was a huge campaign going on around the park and last night after the game Buerhle even got on a mic and told everyone to vote for Scott because he deserves it
            Let me know exactly what you expected Buerhle to say?

            "No...F*ck Posednik, vote anyone of the other guys"


            I don't really think the last spot matters, I would have rather seen Hafner on the team though. I don't know why he wasn't an option for the online ballot. If anything like someone already stated, Posednik can come into the game in a clutch situation and steal a base possibly.
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            • soltrain
              The Batman
              • Feb 2003
              • 6863

              #51
              Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

              Originally posted by Thrasha
              Let me know exactly what you expected Buerhle to say?

              "No...F*ck Posednik, vote anyone of the other guys"


              I don't really think the last spot matters, I would have rather seen Hafner on the team though. I don't know why he wasn't an option for the online ballot. If anything like someone already stated, Posednik can come into the game in a clutch situation and steal a base possibly.

              I was more impressed that Mark grabbed the mic to talk to the crowd in the first place. The team was REALLY pulling for him to make it. Hell, in the pregame they showed Crede sitting at a computer and voting. Quite possibly one of the funniest things I have ever seen.


              The guys get behind each other and it was just another example of it. So no, I didn't expect him to say that....I didn't expect him to get on the PA at all.
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              • Spectre
                Th* ******
                • Mar 2003
                • 5853

                #52
                Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                I voted for Podsednik out of emotion- if I had to do it based on stats, I would have gone for Matsui (maybe Hunter). Matsui has been great.

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                • SportsTop
                  The Few. The Proud.
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 6716

                  #53
                  Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                  Give me a break with all the Podsednik talk. No one is "playa-hatin'" as one poster liked to call it (comical actually).

                  Podsednik is a the Sox lead-off hitter and his OBP and runs scored are no where near the top of the league. In fact, every other player on the last vote ballot has more runs scored than Podsednik. If his stolen bases make him such a valuable asset, then how come his runs scored (on a prolific run scoring team) doesn't reflect it?

                  Don't feed me crap about his "pinch-running" ability late in the All-Star game. Carl Crawford is just as fast as Podsednik and could be used in the same role. It is all in the context of how each team plays the game. Even Jeter or Hunter are very good baserunners and could be used in the same role.

                  Podsednik just happened to be the little underdog in this vote and America gets into rooting for David over Goliath more often than not. That was the case here, plain and simple. The White Sox did a fantastic job of marketing Podsednik over the other team's marketing of their players. That doesn't mean he deserved the spot over them.

                  Would you rather have an extra player on your team that can steal you a base late in the game or one that could get you a hit, steal a base, or hit a home run late in the game?

                  And please, please people quit bringing the Hafner argument up. His numbers were no where near what they are now when the player/manager selections were taking place (to the tune of 6 HR, 18 RBI) and the AL already has a deserving DH.
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                  • AI_Franchise
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                    • Nov 2002
                    • 2146

                    #54
                    Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                    Originally posted by Squint
                    The White Sox did a fantastic job of marketing Podsednik over the other team's marketing of their players. That doesn't mean he deserved the spot over them.
                    I would say so. Never seen laptops in a dugout before..

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                    • ehh
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 28962

                      #55
                      Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                      I'm not really upset about it because it's the fans' vote. It's not like the MLB picked Posednik. I'm just shocked that Matsui didn't win, Japan must have done a really poor job of marketing this over there.

                      I think we all know (well, besides the White Sox homers) that Hafner, Matsui and Jeter were more deserving.
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                      • Shaver
                        Legend
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 10148

                        #56
                        Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                        Screw Posednick and Hafner...

                        Jeremy Bonderman is the flat screw job on the AL Team!

                        - 11-5 on a sub-.500 team
                        - His home park
                        - All other pitchers with at least 11 wins made the team
                        - 3:1 K's to BB ratio

                        The kid is flat nasty! He hung one bad pitch last night to Hafner...then bounced back by fanning the next two. He's got physical and mental mojo.
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                        • Stu
                          All Star
                          • Jun 2004
                          • 7924

                          #57
                          Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                          You White Sox homers are starting to crack me up. Let's ignore the stats. Ignore that Podsednik is ranked 73rd in the AL in OPS, 26th in the AL in runs scored and 45th in the AL in hits. He's also ranked 175th in MLB in VORP, with a whopping number of 9.3, just ahead of Julio Franco.

                          Let's ignore all this because he is a catalyst, plays good defense and his teammates thought he deserved to be an all-star.
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                          • Stu
                            All Star
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 7924

                            #58
                            Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                            Originally posted by Clay_OS
                            Screw Posednick and Hafner...

                            Jeremy Bonderman is the flat screw job on the AL Team!

                            - 11-5 on a sub-.500 team
                            - His home park
                            - All other pitchers with at least 11 wins made the team
                            - 3:1 K's to BB ratio

                            The kid is flat nasty! He hung one bad pitch last night to Hafner...then bounced back by fanning the next two. He's got physical and mental mojo.
                            Matt Clement is just as, if not more deserving than Bonderman. The only thing Bonderman has going for him is that it's in his home park.
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                            • soltrain
                              The Batman
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 6863

                              #59
                              Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                              Originally posted by camulos
                              Matt Clement is just as, if not more deserving than Bonderman. The only thing Bonderman has going for him is that it's in his home park.

                              Garcia was more deserving than both.
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                              • Stu
                                All Star
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 7924

                                #60
                                Re: Oswalt/Podsednik Complete All-Star Teams

                                Originally posted by soltrain
                                Garcia was more deserving than both.
                                You could make that argument but they aren't taking 3 starters from the same staff.
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