Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

He's not even the best shortstop in the division. I'm not biased either, but Miguel Tejada is the ONLY reason we haven't completely collapsed yet. He's a top 2, probably the best SS in baseball, and arguably the best player in baseball. I would take him and Michael Young over Jeter this year.

Jeter's not even the best (natural) SS on his team.

[muzion]

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*voted 20 times for Posednik (or whatever the hell his name is...)*

I guess my mother was right when she said hard work pays off!

[deeman11747]

Re: Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

First of all, all of those arguing that Young leads Jeter in categories such as SLG, HRS, OPS, etc, Jeter is a leadoff man, not a power hitter. He does his job of getting on base, getting into scoring position, and scoring runs, which is his job.

He has also played a pretty good SS this year with the exception of two 2 error games (one was against the Mets I think).

Like it or not, he is the face of baseball, playing in the biggest media market as a captain of a team of "stars", handles the media perfectly, classy on the field, etc. And as many have said (of course I'll admit I'm biased living in NY) but if the decision is between a guy from the White Sox who is not even the 5th best player on his team and Jeter who is a huge fan favorite, oit shouldn't even be close, especially when Jeter has the better numbers over Podsedniks.

[dkgojackets]

Re: Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

Then why didn't the fans vote for him?

[LetsGoPitt]

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Like it or not, he is the face of baseball...

Could someone PLEASE explain how Jeter became the face of baseball? And I don't mean because Tim Kurkjian said so in his article. Unless you are living in NYC, you see MANY other players in the limelight. Check that, even in NYC, you still see many more players. In fact, I don't recall a single time I saw Derek Jeter on TV this year other than during a game broadcast, a highlight clip, or a post-game interview (except maybe on YES, but that's something different all together). And when he's being talked about by media people, it's usually Yankees people or known Yankees lovers (Karl Ravich and the aforementioned Rob Dibble and Tim Kurkjian). The only commercial I remember seeing Jeter in was that lame Visa commerical with Steinbrenner, but that's been pulled. Sure, Jeter is on the cover of one of the baseball video games, but so are Vlad Guerrero and Manny Ramirez. And as far as name-recognition, I'd say Barry Bonds and Albert Pujols are at least equal to Jeter in that regard.

[Dice]

Re: Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

I think you aren't understanding what Dibble meant by this comment.

What he is saying is that Jeter transcends the sport of baseball as Jordan did with basketball and the purpose behind the All-Star game is to showcase its star players.

Say what you will about Jeter, but none of us know how he would or wouldn't be on another team. The fact is, is that a lot of very good players have seen their careers hit a roadblock when they put on a Yankees uniform. Yet Jeter has not only thrived in this arena, but he's become the captain and leader of the most publicized, scrutinized, and media covered franchise of any sport in the western hemisphere.

Last I checked, there have been many, many players in the NBA All-Star game (as well as the MLB All-Star game) that were added to the roster during off years or after their respective primes were over.

I agree with Dibble. I won't lose any sleep that Jeter isn't in the game, but I'd much rather see him there than Michael Young and most definitely over Podsednik.<!-- / message -->

What Jordan has done in his career FEW ATHLETES in any sports have come close to his accomplishments and Jeter isn't one of them.

Dont' get me wrong Jeter is a hell of a player. When he retires he'll go into the hall. But to put his accomplishments with Jordan is just insane.

Just because he has the championships doesn't put him on the level of His Airness. If that was the case then Robert Horry right now is the Jordan of basketball because he has 5 championships.

Jordan has put the Bulls on his back for all of the championships and has accomplished that with multiple MVP regular season and playoffs. Jeter has never won a regular season MVP and out of the 5 championships he won only has 1 World Series MVP.

In reality, there is no Jordan of baseball. One man cannot carry a team to the championship in baseball. And that's the beauty of this sport.

[SportsTop]

Re: Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

What Jordan has done in his career FEW ATHLETES in any sports have come close to his accomplishments and Jeter isn't one of them.

Dont' get me wrong Jeter is a hell of a player. When he retires he'll go into the hall. But to put his accomplishments with Jordan is just insane.

Just because he has the championships doesn't put him on the level of His Airness. If that was the case then Robert Horry right now is the Jordan of basketball because he has 5 championships.

Jordan has put the Bulls on his back for all of the championships and has accomplished that with multiple MVP regular season and playoffs. Jeter has never won a regular season MVP and out of the 5 championships he won only has 1 World Series MVP.

In reality, there is no Jordan of baseball. One man cannot carry a team to the championship in baseball. And that's the beauty of this sport.

Read my post again. At no point did I say that Jeter's accomplishments are comparable to Jordan's.

I said that Jeter has transcended the sport as Jordan did his. Jeter is the face and leader of the Yankees dynasty that has been (or was depending on your point of view) the example for winning and excellence.

Don't turn my post into a "Jeter is as good as Jordan argument" because that isn't the issue.

Look at the facts and you'll see that you can't argue with what I've stated.

[dh2k3]

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Jeter is unquestionably the most overrated player in baseball. If he didn't play in New York, he'd still be an All-Star most years, but you'd never hear this crap about him being the Michael Jordan of baseball.

In reality, Michael Young and Derek Jeter are almost identical players in terms of production and ability (and Young has CLEARLY had the better year), and Tejada is twice as good as either of them.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Rob Dibble on Jeter snub

First of all, all of those arguing that Young leads Jeter in categories such as SLG, HRS, OPS, etc, Jeter is a leadoff man, not a power hitter. He does his job of getting on base, getting into scoring position, and scoring runs, which is his job.

Jeter's 19th in the majors in OBP. Hell, he's 3rd on his own team. Let's not pretend he's one of the best at getting on base. And if you're talking about leadoff men who get into scoring position, then Scott Podsednik wins with his 40+ steals.

[SportsTop]

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Jeter is unquestionably the most overrated player in baseball. If he didn't play in New York, he'd still be an All-Star most years, but you'd never hear this crap about him being the Michael Jordan of baseball.

In reality, Michael Young and Derek Jeter are almost identical players in terms of production and ability (and Young has CLEARLY had the better year), and Tejada is twice as good as either of them.

How is Jeter overrated?

Young and Jeter may statistically be identical players, but Young has performed at this level for only 2+ seasons while Jeter has done it for 9+ seasons including the postseason and All-Star games. There is something to be said for leadership in all this.

Tejada may produce better statistics than Jeter (definitely not "twice as good" as Jeter, but again, until he produces in the postseason he'll be just another very good player.

Like it or not, there is something to be said about the intangibles players like Jeter, Jordan, Magic, and Favre bring to their respective sports.

[SportsTop]

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Jeter's 19th in the majors in OBP. Hell, he's 3rd on his own team. Let's not pretend he's one of the best at getting on base. And if you're talking about leadoff men who get into scoring position, then Scott Podsednik wins with his 40+ steals.

Then why isn't Podsednik leading the league in runs scored?

[soltrain]

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Then why isn't Podsednik leading the league in runs scored?

Thank Paul Konerko for that one. How that worthless peice of flesh is an all star is beyond me.


Runs scored isn't a stat Scott can dictate...it is up to the people behind him to knock him in.

[SportsTop]

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Thank Paul Konerko for that one. How that worthless peice of flesh is an all star is beyond me.


Runs scored isn't a stat Scott can dictate...it is up to the people behind him to knock him in.

I'm aware of that, but my point being is that Jeter is on base more often than Podsendnik giving the hitters behind him more opportunities to drive him in resulting in more runs scored.

[dh2k3]

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Like it or not, there is something to be said about the intangibles players like Jeter, Jordan, Magic, and Favre bring to their respective sports.

To put Jeter in the same sentence with those three is a joke.

Intangibles are important, but in the end, production is more important. The number one thing that made Jordan, Magic, & Favre great was not "intangibles." The number one thing that made them great was that they were incredible players who were incredibly productive. MJ earned it by scoring 30 points every night, Magic earned it by getting 20 points and 10 assists every night, Favre earned it by throwing for 30 TD passes every year. These guys had legendary on-field ability; they weren't merely above average performers who got pumped up by the media because they had "intangibles."

They all put up big numbers and won multiple MVP awards, neither of which Jeter has done. Don't get me wrong: he's a terrific player, but wake me up when he hits 25 HR's or has 100 RBI's in a season, because in the end, you have to produce.

On top of that, he's only a .306 hitter in the postseason. That's very good, but it certainly isn't the stuff of legends.

[NYJets]

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They all put up big numbers and won multiple MVP awards, neither of which Jeter has done. Don't get me wrong: he's a terrific player, but wake me up when he hits 25 HR's or has 100 RBI's in a season, because in the end, you have to produce.

He's been a leadoff hitter/#2 hitter his whole career. That isn't his job.

However...in 1999 he hit 24 homeruns and had 102 rbi's.