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  • kweiss
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    • May 2003
    • 1886

    #16
    Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

    I swear Skip Bayless is intentionally a moron just so he can keep his name around.

    The only two players comparable to Roger Clemens are Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson.

    I consider Pedro a separate case. For a time, Pedro may have been the most dominating pitcher any of us had ever seen. However, unlike the other three, he's mostly likely a ways away from retirement, so it's pretty tough to judge his career against the others.

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    • ravensfan52
      Go Ravens
      • May 2004
      • 357

      #17
      Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

      The man is a **** up. raffy is a great guy, a great player, and has some jaw dropping career numbers. But because he is not dominating by that clown's personal standards he is not a hall of famer? This guy is a nut.

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      • snepp
        We'll waste him too.
        • Apr 2003
        • 10007

        #18
        Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

        Raffy > Skippy
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        • SportsTop
          The Few. The Proud.
          • Jul 2003
          • 6716

          #19
          Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

          Originally posted by joeboo
          Pedro was great in his prime. However, I take career over prime when I look at players. Dealing with players primes can be tricky at times. Heck, Cecil Fielder had a very good prime. However, I wouldn't pit his career against a Palmiero.
          Agreed. I'll take Clemens' career over Pedro's any day of the week.
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          • Vince
            Bow for Bau
            • Aug 2002
            • 26017

            #20
            Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

            Does anyone think Fran Thomas is better than Raffy or am I the only one. I know there was a writer on Fox Sports who said he could name 15 first baseman better than Raffy(well it was actually a list of the top 15 1st basemen with no Raffy in it). The one I thought was the most debatable was Frank. Even though the homerun numbers or hits number aren't in his favor, he's won 2 MVP's and was considered a top 5 hitter in the 90's and always had OPS' in the near .1000's. Problem with him though is that he DH'ed so much.
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            • HardwoodHeisman
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              • Nov 2003
              • 2399

              #21
              Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

              Skip's whole purpose is to come up with some of the most outrageous comments and views in Sports just to get a reaction out of everyone. Honestly, I doubt he truly believes any of the crap that comes out of his mouth.

              Its his style and persona for TV. This is something I'm hoping...I'm hoping its just for entertainment.

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              • caseyd
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                • Jul 2002
                • 2367

                #22
                Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...bayless/050725

                Today he said that Lance Armstrong isn't in conversation for World Greatest Athlete. He uses the argument that he never had to hit clutch shots, etc. Yeah, and Wilt Chamberlin never had to bike over 100 miles a day for two weeks straight either. I'll certainly admit that Jim Thorpe is probably the greatest athete ever, but to say that Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders are better athletes than Lance just because they played two sports is ridiculous. Nowhere in the definition of athlete does it say anything about needing to compete in two sports or being able to hit a 25 foot jump shot with time expiring.

                athlete:
                A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

                [Middle English, from Latin āthlēta, from Greek āthlētēs, contestant, from āthlein, to contend, possibly from āthlos, contest.]

                I'll put Lance up against any other athlete in the world.
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                • SportsTop
                  The Few. The Proud.
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 6716

                  #23
                  Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                  Originally posted by caseyd
                  http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...bayless/050725

                  Today he said that Lance Armstrong isn't in conversation for World Greatest Athlete. He uses the argument that he never had to hit clutch shots, etc. Yeah, and Wilt Chamberlin never had to bike over 100 miles a day for two weeks straight either. I'll certainly admit that Jim Thorpe is probably the greatest athete ever, but to say that Bo Jackson or Deion Sanders are better athletes than Lance just because they played two sports is ridiculous. Nowhere in the definition of athlete does it say anything about needing to compete in two sports or being able to hit a 25 foot jump shot with time expiring.

                  athlete:
                  A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

                  [Middle English, from Latin āthlēta, from Greek āthlētēs, contestant, from āthlein, to contend, possibly from āthlos, contest.]

                  I'll put Lance up against any other athlete in the world.
                  Not to get too far off-topic but.....

                  Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson's ability to play football and baseball at the highest levels (two sports requireming different abilities) highlights those exact traits defined by the word "athlete" moreso than just cycling (and that is not meant to put Lance Armstrong or his accomplishments down).

                  I would submit that Bo Jackson in particular is a better athlete than Armstrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is a better competitor.
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                  • AI_Franchise
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2002
                    • 2146

                    #24
                    Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                    Pedro was never and never will be remembered to be better than Sandy Koufax.

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                    • Stu
                      All Star
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 7924

                      #25
                      Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                      Originally posted by AI_Franchise
                      Pedro was never and never will be remembered to be better than Sandy Koufax.
                      Maybe not by Yankee homers and Pedro haters, but by smart baseball fans, he will be.

                      Pedro has more wins, less losses, a better career ERA, more K's, less walks and a better career ERA+. What more do you want?
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                      • SportsTop
                        The Few. The Proud.
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 6716

                        #26
                        Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                        Originally posted by AI_Franchise
                        Pedro was never and never will be remembered to be better than Sandy Koufax.
                        Yes he was and he very well may be.

                        It is his attitude that takes away from his greatness.
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                        • caseyd
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 2367

                          #27
                          Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                          Originally posted by Squint
                          Not to get too far off-topic but.....

                          Deion Sanders and Bo Jackson's ability to play football and baseball at the highest levels (two sports requireming different abilities) highlights those exact traits defined by the word "athlete" moreso than just cycling (and that is not meant to put Lance Armstrong or his accomplishments down).

                          I would submit that Bo Jackson in particular is a better athlete than Armstrong, but that doesn't necessarily mean he is a better competitor.
                          Don't you have to look at the ability to sustain that level though? Bo Jackson's body obviously couldn't handle the strains of doing that for long. If you're looking at being a great athlete over a sustained period, I'd put Sanders over Jackson. You could argue this all day long and never really come up with a definite answer. Armstrong never attempted to do other sports (very few have), so it's difficult to judge. One thing I think we would agree on is that Thorpe is heads and shoulders above the rest. He was outstanding in at least three very different sports.

                          I've never liked Bayless, so I just thought I'd post his ramblings for today.
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                          • AI_Franchise
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                            • Nov 2002
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                            #28
                            Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                            how about PLAYOFF DOMINANCE! Koufax came through for his teams when he needed to, can't say remotely close about Pedro..

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                            • Stu
                              All Star
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 7924

                              #29
                              Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                              Originally posted by AI_Franchise
                              how about PLAYOFF DOMINANCE!
                              Not sure when Playoff performance became the deciding factor but anyways. Koufax was 4-3 with a 0.95 ERA in the postseason. He pitched 57 postseason innings in his career, compared to Pedro's 79. Pedro is 6-2 in the postseason with a 3.40 ERA, a respectable number in today's game, shown below with the League ERA's for the years both were in the playoffs:

                              Koufax -
                              59 - 4.22
                              63 - 3.02
                              65 - 3.26
                              66 - 3.28
                              Pedro -
                              98 - 4.61
                              99 - 5.07
                              03 - 4.71
                              04 - 4.87

                              I'm not sure how you can determine that "Pedro was never and never will be remembered to be better than Sandy Koufax" based on less than 100 innings when both have pitched well over 2,000 in their careers.

                              Originally posted by AI_Franchise
                              Koufax came through for his teams when he needed to, can't say remotely close about Pedro..
                              How about in Game 5 of the 1999 ALDS when Pedro came on in relief and pitched 6 no hit innings vs Cleveland with a bad back that had forced him out of Game 1. The Indians had scored 8 runs in the first 3 innings but Pedro completely shut them down in the deciding game of the series.

                              Or how about Game 3 of the 2004 WS where Pedro pitched the first game in St. Louis, a 7 inning, 3 hit shutout against one of the best lineups in baseball.
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                              • deeman11747
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 3194

                                #30
                                Re: Skip Bayless is clinically insane

                                Originally posted by camulos
                                Not sure when Playoff performance became the deciding factor but anyways. Koufax was 4-3 with a 0.95 ERA in the postseason. He pitched 57 postseason innings in his career, compared to Pedro's 79. Pedro is 6-2 in the postseason with a 3.40 ERA, a respectable number in today's game, shown below with the League ERA's for the years both were in the playoffs:

                                Koufax -
                                59 - 4.22
                                63 - 3.02
                                65 - 3.26
                                66 - 3.28
                                Pedro -
                                98 - 4.61
                                99 - 5.07
                                03 - 4.71
                                04 - 4.87

                                I'm not sure how you can determine that "Pedro was never and never will be remembered to be better than Sandy Koufax" based on less than 100 innings when both have pitched well over 2,000 in their careers.



                                How about in Game 5 of the 1999 ALDS when Pedro came on in relief and pitched 6 no hit innings vs Cleveland with a bad back that had forced him out of Game 1. The Indians had scored 8 runs in the first 3 innings but Pedro completely shut them down in the deciding game of the series.

                                Or how about Game 3 of the 2004 WS where Pedro pitched the first game in St. Louis, a 7 inning, 3 hit shutout against one of the best lineups in baseball.
                                I think there's no question that Pedro's been one of the much better playoff pitchers in history. AI was probably swayed just a little by the thought of the "Who's your daddy?" chants.

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