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[Kohlstar20]

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I don't agree with Pujols being named MVP. I know he had another great season and lead the other canidates in most statistical catagories. But lets put stats aside for now and focus on the fact that Andruw Jones carried his team to a 14th consecutive division title in a division that never really saw one team pull away from the pack and while chipper jones and 3/4 of the starting rotation was injured is simply amazing. You could say the same about Pujols but the fact that the Cardinals had alot better team than the Braves did this season as they won 100 games again and the fact that the Cardinals were never really in a heated pennant race like the braves were in my opinion made Andruw a whole lot more valuable to his team than Pujols was to his. In other words the Braves probably would have missed the post season for the 1st time since 1990 if Andruw didn't step up and carry his team. However the Cardinals would have still been a lock to make the post season even if Pujols didn't have an MVP season.

[rubisco43]

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again... couldn't really go wrong with either pick. congrats pujols.

[Misfit]

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No way should Andrew Jones have gotten this award. Yes he was valuable to his team, but he was just as much a role player as anyone. The Braves would not have made the playoffs without Francouer (sp?), Hudson, Smoltz, etc. The Cardinals would not have made the playoffs without Pujols. Everyone likes to heap praise on Jones because his team got hit hard by the injury bug, but so did the Cardinals. Should Pujols be penalized because his value equated to a larger division lead? No way. Jones was too inconsistent to be the most valuable player. He may have hit a lot of homeruns, but he only hit .263 for the season and was even worse with runners in scoring position. He could have been a whole lot more valuable. Switch out Jones for Pujols and the Braves probably win close to 100 games and the Cardinals battle it out with the Astros for the Central crown. The voting for this one shouldn't have even been as close as it was.

[glucklich]

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I can understand you objecting that to Barry allegedly using steroids but given that he actually played, you have to be on crack to think Barry Bonds didnt deserve his MVPs. Its a shame that Albert is in the NL with Barry but thats how it goes. Theres Barry, then there's Albert, and then there's everyone else.

[rsox]

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Great for Al. I'm sure it won't be the last of his career.


Jones had a GREAT season, but unfortunately you're gonna have a hard time winning the MVP when you hit .263.

Without Andruw Jones the Braves would have probably finished in 4th place, without Pujols the Cardinals still have the best starting pitching in the league and one of the best bullpens, the Braves pitching staff was a disaster all year.
Andruw Jones was more valuable to the Braves THIS YEAR than Pujols was to the Cardinals.

[Stoud]

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Glad to see him finally get one, Pujols carried us this year and was pretty much the only consistent while the rest of the team battled injuries and inconsistenty at various points in the year.

I know this is a little off topic, but when did Eckstein show inconsistency or get injured? He helped carry that team as well, and I for one don't think he gets the credit he deserves...He's obviously not an MVP type player, but he sure has the spirit for it.

[glucklich]

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I know this is a little off topic, but when did Eckstein show inconsistency or get injured? He helped carry that team as well, and I for one don't think he gets the credit he deserves...He's obviously not an MVP type player, but he sure has the spirit for it.

I think hes talking about the other HR hitters (ie Sanders, Rolen and Edmonds). Eckstein was a metronome.

[TheMatrix31]

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Sucks that Andruw couldnt win it, but I wouldnt have anyone else win it but Pujols. The guy is unbelievable to watch. I think Andruw deserved it more, because if you take Andruw off the Braves, we would suck, while the Cardinals wouldve been more competitive.

Either way, Pujols is the man, and if it wasnt for #25, he'd have 4 under his belt.

[steveeee]

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Interview with him after he won the award.. great interview

http://www.kfns.com/vdVirtual/Interv...view-2-484.mp3

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[Blzer]

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No way should Andrew Jones have gotten this award. Yes he was valuable to his team, but he was just as much a role player as anyone. The Braves would not have made the playoffs without Francouer (sp?),...

I would love to agree with you on this (in the sense that other players were in aid for the 14th straight title), but Francoeur didn't get ROY either... instead, Howard got it.

I personally prefer for Jones to get the award, and I think that he deserves it more. Pujols does deserve an MVP award someday. Too bad that Bonds was in the league to obliterate any chance for any other player to get an MVP for the last 4 years. Actually, from my viewpoint, that's the best thing that can happen.

Anyway, I'm not saying that Pujols wasn't deservative of it... I'm just saying that a lot of people on here are saying this based on how he got robbed of them every other year. Well, that's just how it goes, and you can't base MVP's like that. If he didn't get them every year, if he was always second best, then that's all he is, and it shouldn't carry on to the next year. IMO he was second best again this year. Andruw Jones did carry the Braves to the playoffs. If Francoeur was that big of an asset to the Braves (and he was, no doubt), then I don't see why he wasn't Rookie of the Year. The Phillies didn't even make the playoffs.





Anyway, that's my .02.

[mjb2124]

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Andruw Jones did carry the Braves to the playoffs. If Francoeur was that big of an asset to the Braves (and he was, no doubt), then I don't see why he wasn't Rookie of the Year. The Phillies didn't even make the playoffs.

Don't you see the contradiction here? Bonds won a bunch of MVP's and his team didn't make the playoffs some of those years. Instead, Bonds won it because he had the best stats of anyone in the NL that year. So if Jones should've won it this year because he carried his team to the playoffs despite having worse stats than Pujols, then Bonds shouldn't have won it the years he didn't carry his team to the playoffs despite having better stats than everyone else.

Pujols:
BA: .330
HR: 41
RBI: 117
SLG: .609
OBP: .430
OPS: 1.039
Runs: 129
SB: 16
BB/K Ratio: 97BB/65K

Jones:
BA: .263
HR: 51
RBI: 128
SLG: .575
OBP: .347
OPS: .922
Runs: 95
SB: 5
BB/K Ratio: 64BB/112K

[Misfit]

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I would love to agree with you on this (in the sense that other players were in aid for the 14th straight title), but Francoeur didn't get ROY either... instead, Howard got it.

I personally prefer for Jones to get the award, and I think that he deserves it more. Pujols does deserve an MVP award someday. Too bad that Bonds was in the league to obliterate any chance for any other player to get an MVP for the last 4 years. Actually, from my viewpoint, that's the best thing that can happen.

Anyway, I'm not saying that Pujols wasn't deservative of it... I'm just saying that a lot of people on here are saying this based on how he got robbed of them every other year. Well, that's just how it goes, and you can't base MVP's like that. If he didn't get them every year, if he was always second best, then that's all he is, and it shouldn't carry on to the next year. IMO he was second best again this year. Andruw Jones did carry the Braves to the playoffs. If Francoeur was that big of an asset to the Braves (and he was, no doubt), then I don't see why he wasn't Rookie of the Year. The Phillies didn't even make the playoffs.

Notice that I cited more players than Francoeur? Even though you chose to omit the others. You don't have to win an award to be valuable to your team, and Howard had better overall offensive numbers than Francoeur and the Rookie of the Year award is about who has the best numbers, value isn't really a part of the equation. If the Braves don't capture lightning in a bottle with their younger players and play in an under-achieving division, they don't make the playoffs despite Andrew Jones' 50 homeruns. Jones only hit .208 down the stretch with an OPS of .795, thats not an MVP. And then of course there's the .207 average with runners in scoring position. He had almost 300 at bats with runners on, and had 44 more at-bats with runners in scoring position than Pujols. That should show you right there, that Andrew had more help than Pujols. Pujols also had a higer slugging percentage with men on base than Jones, meaning his homeruns were often worth more than Jones'.

Pujols squashed Andrew Jones in almost every statistical category except home runs and RBI, and if he had had as many men on base for him as Andrew did he probably would have beat him out in that category as well. Andrew Jones was valuable to his team, but Pujols even more so and his season was that much better.

[glucklich]

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Notice that I cited more players than Francoeur? Even though you chose to omit the others. You don't have to win an award to be valuable to your team, and Howard had better overall offensive numbers than Francoeur and the Rookie of the Year award is about who has the best numbers, value isn't really a part of the equation. If the Braves don't capture lightning in a bottle with their younger players and play in an under-achieving division, they don't make the playoffs despite Andrew Jones' 50 homeruns. Jones only hit .208 down the stretch with an OPS of .795, thats not an MVP. And then of course there's the .207 average with runners in scoring position. He had almost 300 at bats with runners on, and had 44 more at-bats with runners in scoring position than Pujols. That should show you right there, that Andrew had more help than Pujols. Pujols also had a higer slugging percentage with men on base than Jones, meaning his homeruns were often worth more than Jones'.

Pujols squashed Andrew Jones in almost every statistical category except home runs and RBI, and if he had had as many men on base for him as Andrew did he probably would have beat him out in that category as well. Andrew Jones was valuable to his team, but Pujols even more so and his season was that much better.

I notice Pujols walked a lot more. What is the comparison of HR/AB between Jones and Pujols.

[mjb2124]

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I notice Pujols walked a lot more. What is the comparison of HR/AB between Jones and Pujols.

Andruw: 586/51 = 11.49
Pujols: 591/41 = 14.41

[southside_hitmen]

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Don't you see the contradiction here? Bonds won a bunch of MVP's and his team didn't make the playoffs some of those years. Instead, Bonds won it because he had the best stats of anyone in the NL that year. So if Jones should've won it this year because he carried his team to the playoffs despite having worse stats than Pujols, then Bonds shouldn't have won it the years he didn't carry his team to the playoffs despite having better stats than everyone else.

Pujols:
BA: .330
HR: 41
RBI: 117
SLG: .609
OBP: .430
OPS: 1.039
Runs: 129
SB: 16
BB/K Ratio: 97BB/65K

Jones:
BA: .263
HR: 51
RBI: 128
SLG: .575
OBP: .347
OPS: .922
Runs: 95
SB: 5
BB/K Ratio: 64BB/112K

Jones had a great year power-wise and plays a great center field, however he is not even close to being in the same class as Albert. HR's are great but when you only hit .263 you are taking the bat out of a lot of guys behind you in the lineup. Albert is letting the guy behind him hit 1 more time every 10 PA. Over the season that is roughly an extra 50 AB for the guy behind him that gives him the opportunity to drive in more runs. So to even say that Jones is more valuable to his team is incorrect. Albert extends the inning and lets more people behind him have the opportunity to drive in runs, so he provides a greater benifit to his team. Oh yeah, and his numbers aren't that bad either