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  • Programmed2Kill
    Banned
    • Jul 2002
    • 14644

    #1

    Phillies going after Manny Ramirez




    PHILLIES IN MANNY RACE

    By MICHAEL MORRISSEY


    December 1, 2005 -- The Mets wounded the Phillies by acquiring Billy Wagner, Philadelphia's former closer. But the Phillies have set their sights on a player the Mets have coveted: Manny Ramirez.

    Philadelphia and Boston have engaged in serious talks about swapping Ramirez for Bobby Abreu, The Post has learned.

    Abreu was shopped by new Philly GM Pat Gillick during the GM meetings in early November. Ramirez's unhappiness in Boston has been evident for months, if not years, and culminated with his apartment in the Residence at the Ritz-Carlton going on the market Tuesday for $6.9 million.

    If the Phillies land Ramirez, it would be a huge counterblow to the Mets. Constant speculation was that Mets GM Omar Minaya's flurry of winter activity would be capped with a knockout acquisition of the eccentric outfielder.

    Minaya landed Wagner on Tuesday, and the fireballing lefty blasted the Phils for going backward while the Mets became a stronger playoff contender.

    The Phillies believe a Ramirez deal could get done if they want. Apparently, the stumbling block is the disparity in salaries.

    Ramirez will earn $19 million next season and $57 million over the next three. Abreu will earn $13 million in 2006 and $15 million in 2007.

    Also, Abreu has a no-trade clause. He may want his 2008 club option for $16 million exercised if he waives the clause.

    Paul Konerko's new five-year, $60 million contract with the White Sox could affect a deal for Ramirez. The Angels, who pursued Konerko, reportedly were Ramirez's No. 1 choice, and any trade requires his permission due to his 10/5 rights (10 years in the majors, at least five with his current team).

    Now that the Angels lost out on Konerko, they may be more proactive regarding a trade.

    The Mets weren't informed by Boston that the Red Sox were involved in talks with Philly. At least one Mets source was unfazed by the Boston-Philly talks and said the team would not speed up its timetable for Ramirez. They reportedly planned to speak at next week's winter meetings.

    Reportedly, the Red Sox had interest in Mets center-field prospect Lastings Milledge as the centerpiece for any deal, but sources said it is "highly unlikely" the Mets will move either Milledge or righty Aaron Heilman. That puts the Mets and Red Sox at a crossroads regarding Ramirez.

    Yesterday, the Mets didn't rule out a trade for a catcher. Although much of the focus has centered on the team's offers to free agents Ramon Hernandez and Bengie Molina, the club is pursuing other avenues.

    They've been linked to Florida's Paul Lo Duca and have interest in Tampa Bay's Toby Hall. A source argued that a trade wouldn't necessarily be more costly, because the Mets will lose a draft pick if they sign either Hernandez or Molina.

    Willie Randolph, who was honored by the March of Dimes as its Sportsman of the Year at the Waldorf-Astoria yesterday, said he can't wait to get to spring training. Randolph said his club is more balanced than it was last year.

    But he cautioned against anointing the Mets as overwhelming favorites.

    "It's not rotisserie baseball," he said. "I've been on a lot of great Yankees teams, been on a lot of great ballclubs where we could start printing playoff tickets before the season started.

    "And I've been disappointed many times in that way."

    Additional reporting by George King.

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  • Beantown
    #DoYourJob
    • Feb 2005
    • 31523

    #2
    Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

    I called this back in the old "PHils shopping Abreu" thread.

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    • knicks69
      Rookie
      • Jul 2004
      • 295

      #3
      Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

      Originally posted by Programmed2Kill
      If I was the Mets I would do whtever it takes to get Manny. Give them Lastings
      plus Floyd. If the Phills get him the Mets should go after Paul La Duca and Mark
      G. bob Abrau isa good player but colapesd the second half of the season.

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      • Skerik
        Living in this tube
        • Mar 2004
        • 5215

        #4
        Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

        So, to recap the Abreu trade rumors at this point....

        - To Boston for Ramirez
        - To Baltimore for Bedard and Gibbons
        - To St Louis for Marquis and Anthony Reyes

        While a 3-4-5-6 of Utley, Ramirez, Howard and Burrell would be amazing, it's kind of strange that the Phillies would trade Abreu and take on even more salary in doing so, without acquiring a bonafide #1 starter which is what this team has needed since Schilling left.
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        • BoSoxPujols
          MVP
          • Mar 2004
          • 1262

          #5
          Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

          Originally posted by Skerik
          So, to recap the Abreu trade rumors at this point....

          - To Boston for Ramirez
          - To Baltimore for Bedard and Gibbons
          - To St Louis for Marquis and Anthony Reyes

          While a 3-4-5-6 of Utley, Ramirez, Howard and Burrell would be amazing, it's kind of strange that the Phillies would trade Abreu and take on even more salary in doing so, without acquiring a bonafide #1 starter which is what this team has needed since Schilling left.
          No way the Cardinals do that deal. Marquis is expendable but only because Anthony Reyes can step in and start next season, and even if you mean the middle reilever there is still no way. Wth Ray King demanding a trade and Julian Tavarez a free agent, along with Cal Eldreds retirement there is no way the Cardinals give up either of the Reyes'.

          St. Louis might offer Marquis and King though.

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          • Skerik
            Living in this tube
            • Mar 2004
            • 5215

            #6
            Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

            Originally posted by BoSoxPujols
            St. Louis might offer Marquis and King though.
            Yuck. King's numbers took a significant downturn last year (.293 BAA?) and Marquis gives us yet another 4th or 5th starter. Our entire rotation is made up of 4th and 5th starters. If we're going to trade Abreu for pitching, I want a #1 guy.
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            Dash: [muttering] Which is another way of saying no one is.

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            • nyisles16
              All Star
              • Apr 2003
              • 8317

              #7
              Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

              it looks like that the Mets arent really pursuing Manny anymore - saying that Milledge (& Heilman) are "untouchables" now.. besides, they got the big bopper they needed & not getting Manny (to me) wouldnt be a huge blow


              1) Reyes
              2) Beltran
              3) Delgado
              4) Floyd
              5) Wright

              i would take that 5 in a heartbeat...

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              • Nyrican127
                Let's Go Mets!!!
                • Apr 2003
                • 572

                #8
                Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                Looks like the Phillies are scrambling after getting burned by Wagner. I say Manny ends up with the Angels. They have much more to offer than the Phillies or Mets.
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                • edubbz708
                  Pro
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 793

                  #9
                  Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                  Manny wants a west coast team.

                  He will end up in Seattle or with the Angels.

                  I'm leaning towards the Angels because they couldn't sign Konerko.

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                  • Stu
                    All Star
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 7924

                    #10
                    Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                    I can't see Manny accepting a trade to Philly. He'd put up monster numbers there but he doesn't seem to care about that.

                    I also don't like the trade from a Red Sox point of view. If they give up Manny they need a right handed power hitter to replace him. Mike Lowell isn't going to cut it in the cleanup spot.
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                    • Misfit
                      All Star
                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5766

                      #11
                      Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                      I agree that they need to get a right-handed power hitter for Manny, but a swap of Ramirez and Abreu may be the closest thing to getting fair value in return for Manny. I'm not a big Abreu fan but he is a good player. He would not hit 30 homeruns at Fenway but left field would probably make him a better fielder, unless he never gets the hang of playing the wall. I'm not really sure who is out there that can at least attempt to fill Manny's spot in the lineup, if he's traded.

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                      • Programmed2Kill
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 14644

                        #12
                        Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                        Randy Miller of Phillyburbs.com is reporting this trade rumor as well.

                        I don't see it happening, of course. But one truth is coming out of this: Bobby Abreu's butt isn't going to be in Clearwater for the Phillies. They are trying hard to trade him.


                        Another rumor is the Phils going after Danys Baez...

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                        • Skerik
                          Living in this tube
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 5215

                          #13
                          Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                          Originally posted by Programmed2Kill
                          Randy Miller of Phillyburbs.com is reporting this trade rumor as well.

                          I don't see it happening, of course. But one truth is coming out of this: Bobby Abreu's butt isn't going to be in Clearwater for the Phillies. They are trying hard to trade him.


                          Another rumor is the Phils going after Danys Baez...

                          http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-577815.html
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                          Dash: [muttering] Which is another way of saying no one is.

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                          • Misfit
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 5766

                            #14
                            Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                            Jayson Stark is reporting these rumors are false. The Red Sox approached the Phillies about Abreu for Ramirez and they shot it down. The Phillies want a front of the line starter for Abreu, or cash and a pitcher along with Ramirez.

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                            • Vince
                              Bow for Bau
                              • Aug 2002
                              • 26017

                              #15
                              Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

                              So, to recap the Abreu trade rumors at this point....

                              - To Boston for Ramirez
                              - To Baltimore for Bedard and Gibbons
                              - To St Louis for Marquis and Anthony Reyes
                              Abreu for Vernon Wells too.
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