Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

[Stu]

Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

Jayson Stark is reporting these rumors are false. The Red Sox approached the Phillies about Abreu for Ramirez and they shot it down. The Phillies want a front of the line starter for Abreu, or cash and a pitcher along with Ramirez.

Good. The more of these failed deals that come up, the better. Hopefully Manny will decide staying in Boston is his best option. I don't see the owners as wanting to dump him like in the past. When Giles is getting $30 mil and Konerko is getting $60 mil, Manny's $57 mil remaining doesn't look too bad.

I really don't see the Red Sox dumping him for much less than fair value unless they have a realistic replacement, which Abreu isn't.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Phillies going after Manny Ramirez

Jayson Stark is reporting these rumors are false. The Red Sox approached the Phillies about Abreu for Ramirez and they shot it down. The Phillies want a front of the line starter for Abreu, or cash and a pitcher along with Ramirez.

Good, I don't want Ramirez.

[Misfit]

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Word out of Philli now is that the Red Sox and Phillies may be talking about a trade of Abreu for Nixon and a starter, probably Matt Clement. For the Phillies, they'd get a right fielder who is a defensive upgrade over Abreu. While Nixon is not the equal of Abreu at the plate, when healthy he's proven he cant hit 25+ homers a year and he'd probably flourish hitting at Citizen's Bank Park. The problem is keeping Nixon healthy, and he still isn't very good against left-handed pitchers. Clement on the other hand, can be a good pitcher but I don't like him in Philli. When he's on he can get groundballs but his command can be so erratic I could see him serving up about 20-25 gopher balls in that ballpark. The Phillies wouldn't be saving much money either, if any, so I don't see this deal happening.

[CWood2]

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Word out of Philli now is that the Red Sox and Phillies may be talking about a trade of Abreu for Nixon and a starter, probably Matt Clement. For the Phillies, they'd get a right fielder who is a defensive upgrade over Abreu. While Nixon is not the equal of Abreu at the plate, when healthy he's proven he cant hit 25+ homers a year and he'd probably flourish hitting at Citizen's Bank Park. The problem is keeping Nixon healthy, and he still isn't very good against left-handed pitchers. Clement on the other hand, can be a good pitcher but I don't like him in Philli. When he's on he can get groundballs but his command can be so erratic I could see him serving up about 20-25 gopher balls in that ballpark. The Phillies wouldn't be saving much money either, if any, so I don't see this deal happening.

If the Red Sox HAVE TO trade Manny, then getting a guy like Abreu, losing a contract like Clement, and getting some form of Milledge/Heilman from NYM looks pretty good...again, if Manny must go. Putting no faith in it happening, plus the Mets part that I added, this would be the best scenario yet. And if you couldn't get Milledge, maybe look at some kids in Anaheim if they stay away from Sweeney...

Any link to this would be great, especially if it's legit! I'd take Abreu for those two in a second though as a stand alone trade.

[Kenage]

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I would agree CWood2. In an trade scenario involving Ramirez the Sox have to get a right handed bat that can drive in some runs next year. The rest of their lineup is too old to hang on for 2-3 years for young guys like Milledge to produce. I still dont want the Mets anywhere near Ramirez, but for the Sox they have to get a bat in some way.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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When it's all said and done Manny will be a Met.

[CWood2]

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When it's all said and done Manny will be a Met.

That's my gut too, even though I want him to stay. I think Omar's trying to play off his desire for Manny a bit by saying how much he wants to hang onto Milledge and Heilman, but is there any way he becomes a Met without both? Without Petit to trade, I see both in the deal, unless you want to give us Humber.

[Programmed2Kill]

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I would agree CWood2. In an trade scenario involving Ramirez the Sox have to get a right handed bat that can drive in some runs next year. The rest of their lineup is too old to hang on for 2-3 years for young guys like Milledge to produce. I still dont want the Mets anywhere near Ramirez, but for the Sox they have to get a bat in some way.

Exactly. And that is why Manny will not be a Met.

Manny won't be a Phillie nor an Angel.

Nobody will be giving the Sox a right-handed power hitting, run producing batter that is close to a Manny Ramirez. So they will not trade him. Manny is just going to have to suck it up and stay in Boston.

[CWood2]

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Good point, and I hope that works to our benefit..."our" being those who want Manny here like myself. I like Abreu more than Troy Glaus, but having another lefty is not helping ease the loss of Manny's bat. Of all the offseasons to enforce the "trade Manny mandate," it had to be the one with a serious shortage of right-handed power!

[Misfit]

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Link to Abreu for Nixon and Clement story:

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/spo...b/13306575.htm

[Vince]

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Phillies rejected Wells for Abreu.

The source also said new Phillies general manager Pat Gillick recently rejected a Abreu for outfielder Vernon Wells trade proposal from Toronto.

The biggest reason these rumored deals probably will die is the Phillies are shopping Abreu with hopes of landing a No. 1 starter due to a very weak free-agent starting pitcher market.

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/102-12022005-578428.html