The Manny Thread

[Misfit]

It seems a new Manny Ramirez trade rumor pops up daily, so a Manny thread seems like a wise decision. And with the Winter Meetings nearly upon us, I bet a lot more rumors will show themselves. Here are some of the ones already discussed:

Manny to the Mets for prospects
Manny to Anaheim for prospects
Manny to Philli for Abreu (nixed)
Manny to Toronto (nixed)

And the latest one...
Manny to Texas for Soriano (http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...ring_interest/)

Where will Manny end up?

[Beantown]

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To Texas for Soriano now huh?

Not really liking that one, as it would seemingly do just want signing Renteria did...keep our top prospects from taking the enxt step. I really want to see Pedroia...although Soriano could be a good addition.

[Misfit]

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They want Soriano to play left field. Many of the front office peope feel Pedroia isn't ready though, which is why the Red Sox are also talking about David Wells for Mark Loretta and are still talking to Graffanino's agent.

[Beantown]

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They want Soriano to play left field. Many of the front office peope feel Pedroia isn't ready though, which is why the Red Sox are also talking about David Wells for Mark Loretta and are still talking to Graffanino's agent.

Ah, if that's the case, I might actually consider that trade. Soriano would provide more speed on a team that's never really had much, and if they can get Loretta for a guy who doesn't want to be here, that'd be a good deal as well.

Bear in mind, I am in no way saying id rather have Soriano than manny.

[Misfit]

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Agreed. If Pedroia isn't ready then it makes no sense to rush him up. In every case, the Red Sox are looking for a one year replacement at second. And Soriano is no Manny, but so far he's the best player that is an actual possibility for the Red Sox insted of prospects. They may love Millege (or however his name is spelled) but he can't play LF in 2006. They'll try to get the Angels to give up Santana, but I don't think that's happening.

[Beantown]

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Agreed. If Pedroia isn't ready then it makes no sense to rush him up. In every case, the Red Sox are looking for a one year replacement at second. And Soriano is no Manny, but so far he's the best player that is an actual possibility for the Red Sox insted of prospects. They may love Millege (or however his name is spelled) but he can't play LF in 2006. They'll try to get the Angels to give up Santana, but I don't think that's happening.

Very well said. I'd gladly take Heilmann and Milledge for him, maybe sign Encarnacion or someone to fill in for 2006, and then have two more good prospects, but sicne that most likely wont happen, either Santana/someone for Manny or Soriano for Manny would be the best options, especially if you could then trade Wells for Loretta.

[Vince]

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There is no way I'd trade Manny for Soriano. Especially when a)Fonsi doesn't want to move out of 2nd b)he's horrible at second

What do the Red Sox want anyway? Prospects? Middle of the lineup outfielder and prospect? Pitching?

And are the Sox willing to pay for part of Manny's salary?

[CWood2]

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I think the more we Bostonians think about it, the age of our outfield and the loss of Hanley makes us want a guy like Milledge all the more. But what's been said is correct...no rumor that's been suggested so far is a replacement plan for Manny Ramirez's presence and production in the lineup.

I love Lastings tools, I think Heilman is going to be great, and Ervin Santana is clearly impressive. But with the surplus of young arms and our new 25 year old ace, I still can't see how Manny gets dealt to stockpile in one area and leave a HUGE hole in the lineup, expose Papi, and wait a couple years for Milledge to mature. It's easy to get greedy with prospects when you finally have a farm system and a future to look forward to, but they're just as valuable in trades as you saw with Josh Beckett...or with the Braves for the past 14 years. Maybe if you throw Trot and Clement into the picture for Abreu, think about sending a guy like Heilman to a pitching desert like Texas in a deal for Soriano, and then you could afford to get Milledge and wait on him. Pretty elaborate idea though just to move Manny...

[Vince]

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I love Lastings tools, I think Heilman is going to be great, and Ervin Santana is clearly impressive. But with the surplus of young arms and our new 25 year old ace, I still can't see how Manny gets dealt to stockpile in one area and leave a HUGE hole in the lineup, expose Papi, and wait a couple years for Milledge to mature.

There's nothing wrong with taking 1 step back, to take 2 steps forward.

[CWood2]

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There's nothing wrong with taking 1 step back, to take 2 steps forward.

I totally agree, but that's what we were going to do before we traded for Josh Beckett. Moving backwards at this point should only happen if Manny refuses to play for us if we can't get the value we need for him. There will be plenty of options to get young in the OF that could come with better timing, including guys like Brandon Moss, Jacoby Ellsbury, and David Murphy in our own system.

[GBrushTWood]

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There will be plenty of options to get young in the OF that could come with better timing, including guys like Brandon Moss, Jacoby Ellsbury, and David Murphy in our own system.

Um, Moss, Ellsbury, and Murphy will never be 1/10 the hitter that Manny Ramirez currently is. Milledge probably won't either.

I have to laugh at Ramirez for Soriano trade rumors. The Red Sox are never going to acquire Soriano, as he has some of the poorest plate discipline I've ever seen (the number support this). His 2B-defense is also ****e.

[CWood2]

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Um, Moss, Ellsbury, and Murphy will never be 1/10 the hitter that Manny Ramirez currently is. Milledge probably won't either.

I have to laugh at Ramirez for Soriano trade rumors. The Red Sox are never going to acquire Soriano, as he has some of the poorest plate discipline I've ever seen (the number support this). His 2B-defense is also ****e.

My point is that we don't have to get young in the OF now just because Manny wants out and prospects seem to be the most compelling offers. And yeah, obviously

Good point on Soriano though, even if he played LF for us. You could make a similar argument for Troy Glaus because of the high strikeout totals, which isn't balanced out with walks like Adam Dunn is able to do. Without a GM, you gotta wonder who is pushing for who next week.....

[Vince]

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Manny for Glaus would be a good start. Glaus could probably play 1st base.

Arizona has a great farm last I checked. I've heard rumours of the A's wanting to trade Zito there for this Conor Jackson fellow. He's said to be one of the better hitting prospects, if not the best, in the minors.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I still think he will Be a Met

[Programmed2Kill]

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I still think he will Be a Met

Because you're a Met fan. Duh!