Zito to Mets?

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: Zito to Mets?

I don't care if the Mets are spending money and I certainly wouldn't be upset with them for trying to improve their team since that's what they're supposed to do. I've seen several Zito-pitched games and a handful of Kris Benson and given that Benson will make 8 million next year and Zito will command at least 12 million annually, the deal makes no sense for the Mets. Benson was the slightly better pitcher in 2004 and Zito was only marginally better in 2005. I think you're judging Zito based soley on stats from 2002 and not watching the guy pitch and letting some comments from a player's wife cloud your judgement. Neither pitcher is an ace so it makes no sense for the Mets to pay Zito when they have Benson. If you're still clueless as to "how the Hell" I compared Benson and Zito in terms of ability I watched them pitch and looked at the numbers, which it seems like I've done a lot more than you have. And if it still makes no sense to you maybe you should be reading something like The Alphabet Book before you visit the forums.

Yeah you looked at numbers right.lol......

Zito- 85-53, 3.50era, 945so, over 6 years Only 27 years old Lefty. Zito is a over *215 inning guy every year.

Benson- 57-61, 4.25era, 699so, over 6 years and is 31 years old. Benson's lucky if he gives you *160 inngings a year, lucky.

I'll take Zito over Benson any day, you didn't look at numbers to good now did you? What numbers were you looking at.

[SPTO]

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This could be great for the Mets except I don't think Zito has the mental makeup to play in the pressure of NY. The fun thing tho would be to see the former Big 3 pitching against one another in the NL.

[Nyrican127]

Re: Zito to Mets?

I don't care if the Mets are spending money and I certainly wouldn't be upset with them for trying to improve their team since that's what they're supposed to do. I've seen several Zito-pitched games and a handful of Kris Benson and given that Benson will make 8 million next year and Zito will command at least 12 million annually, the deal makes no sense for the Mets. Benson was the slightly better pitcher in 2004 and Zito was only marginally better in 2005. I think you're judging Zito based soley on stats from 2002 and not watching the guy pitch and letting some comments from a player's wife cloud your judgement. Neither pitcher is an ace so it makes no sense for the Mets to pay Zito when they have Benson. If you're still clueless as to "how the Hell" I compared Benson and Zito in terms of ability I watched them pitch and looked at the numbers, which it seems like I've done a lot more than you have. And if it still makes no sense to you maybe you should be reading something like The Alphabet Book before you visit the forums.

Still not making any sense

I got the MLB package on directv and watched alot of late night west coast games with Zito pitching. I've also seen every start Benson has had as a Met, a few of them in person. I'm not basing my statement on 02. Allow me to explain:

Career
Benson: 4.25 ERA, 57-61, 1.37 WHIP, .263 BAA, 0 Cy Young Awards
Zito: 3.50 ERA, 86-53, 1.22 WHIP, .228 BAA, 1 Cy Young Award.

Last year
Benson: 4.13 ERA, 10-8, 174 IP, .253 BAA
Zito: 3.86 ERA, 14-13, 228 IP, .221 BAA

More than marginally better numbers for Zito. You cant compare the 2. Zito is a 1 or 2. Benson is a 3 or 4.

Just don't bring it up no more.

edit:
FF, I didn't see your post with the stats, but you got it right on, no way you can compare these two. Benson is alright, but he's not Zito.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: Zito to Mets?

This could be great for the Mets except I don't think Zito has the mental makeup to play in the pressure of NY. The fun thing tho would be to see the former Big 3 pitching against one another in the NL.

I was listening Michale Kay on ESPN radio today, and he was talking to the Women who is the beat writter for Oakland, and She said she think Zito would fit in great with the Mets, she said Zito Loves to be in the spotlight and she said people around him who know him have said he would very greatful and excited to play in a place like NY when asked. SO I don't think he would any problems.

[SPTO]

Re: Zito to Mets?

I was listening Michale Kay on ESPN radio today, and he was talking to the Women who is the beat writter for Oakland, and She said she think Zito would fit in great with the Mets, she said Zito Loves to be in the spotlight and she said people around him who know him have said he would very greatful and excited to play in a place like NY when asked. SO I don't think he would any problems.

Well in that case I say GO FOR IT METS!

I want to see the Big 3 face off with each other next year.

[Misfit]

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These numbers:
Benson:
2004 200.1IP .264AVG .323OBP 134K 4.31 ERA
2005 174.1IP .253AVG .306OBP 95K 4.13 ERA

Zito:
2004 213IP .263AVG .333OBP 163K 4.48 ERA
2005 228.1IP .221AVG .304OBP 171K 3.86 ERA

Zito is clearly more durable, that much is obvious. His numbers in 2005 are better than Benson's, but are they 5-6 million better? I don't think so. And Zito is going to command a deal of about 5 years for at least 60 million, is he worth trading a supposed can't miss prospect for? Zito will strike out more guys than Benson and hold them to a lower opponent's average, but he makes up for it by walking more so their WHIP is almost the same. And Zito is a lefty, but historically he has been better against right-handed hitters as opposed to left-handed ones (in 2004 he let lefties hit .323 off of him with an.898 OPS). Both guys fair well against subpar hitting teams (with the exception of Benson's struggles against the Nationals and Zito's with the Devil Rays) and get hit by the good teams. Benson is certainly not an ace, but neither is Zito, but Zito will end up getting paid like he is.

My argument is the different between the two isn't worth the price and I stand by that.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: Zito to Mets?

These numbers:
Benson:
2004 200.1IP .264AVG .323OBP 134K 4.31 ERA
2005 174.1IP .253AVG .306OBP 95K 4.13 ERA

Zito:
2004 213IP .263AVG .333OBP 163K 4.48 ERA
2005 228.1IP .221AVG .304OBP 171K 3.86 ERA

Zito is clearly more durable, that much is obvious. His numbers in 2005 are better than Benson's, but are they 5-6 million better? I don't think so. And Zito is going to command a deal of about 5 years for at least 60 million, is he worth trading a supposed can't miss prospect for? Zito will strike out more guys than Benson and hold them to a lower opponent's average, but he makes up for it by walking more so their WHIP is almost the same. And Zito is a lefty, but historically he has been better against right-handed hitters as opposed to left-handed ones (in 2004 he let lefties hit .323 off of him with an.898 OPS). Both guys fair well against subpar hitting teams (with the exception of Benson's struggles against the Nationals and Zito's with the Devil Rays) and get hit by the good teams. Benson is certainly not an ace, but neither is Zito, but Zito will end up getting paid like he is.

My argument is the different between the two isn't worth the price and I stand by that.

I comparing carrer numbers, that what I'm looking at, Zito has a few more 18/20 win season left in him IMO, Benson has never won more the 12 in his carrer, and Yes Zito is a better pitcher then Benson and yes he is worth more money then Benson. Zito is 27 years of age, and yes I do believe he can be that ace, He's not even in his prime yet, I just want you to look at the Big picture, Benson is an average pitcher at at best, Zito still has Star pitcher written on his sleve. Yes this is my opinion and yes many might not agree, in the end I think Zito is well worth it, and he stats Healthy thats a big Key, plus him working with Peterson again would be great, thats when he was at his best when Peterson was guiding him.

[Nyrican127]

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When you win a Cy Young when your 25 years old, your a lefty with a sick curveball and you get guys out, yeah your worth more than 5-6 million dollars than the average middle of the rotation pitcher.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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When you win a Cy Young when your 25 years old, your a lefty with a sick curveball and you get guys out, yeah your worth more than 5-6 million dollars than the average middle of the rotation pitcher.

Thats what I'm saying, I think Zito is well worth it, I just don't think we have seen the best of Zito yet, I know he won that CY Young award and I think there still more wher that came from.

[MrOctober430]

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If Barry Zito goes to the Mets, it's a big loss for the A's because I really see the Mets being in Playoff competition if they get Zito. As for the A's, they don't have much depth in pitching without him. Haren and Harden, still.

[Misfit]

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When you win a Cy Young when your 25 years old, your a lefty with a sick curveball and you get guys out, yeah your worth more than 5-6 million dollars than the average middle of the rotation pitcher.

Thats his biggest problem though, all he has is his curveball. Just watch his starts against the Red Sox since 2002. The Red Sox coaching staff has preached to them to lay off the curveball because usually it isn't a strike, and as a result, he's been knocked around by Boston. The teams he had an ERA under 3 against last year were the Angels, White Sox, Royals, Giants, Twins, and Mariners (3.00 vs The Nationals and 3.46 versus the Tigers), certainly not the best offensive clubs. He had an ERA over 4 against the Orioles, Red Sox, Yankees, Devil Rays, Indians, Rangers, Phillies, and Braves, mostly good offensive clubs. He doesn't beat the good teams. He has an average fastball and an average change. I think he was messing with a cutter and slider last year but he's still mainly a three-pitch pitcher with only 1 plus pitch. He also should not have won that Cy-Young award but Pedro ticked off the writers so they didn't vote for him when he was clearly the most dominant pitcher in the AL that year. He doesn't seem like he is deserving of 12-13 million a year to me, maybe he does to Mets fans but that's easy to say when you aren't writing the checks.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I think Zito has already peaked and at best he has a career like David Wells (only Zito has failed consistently in the "big game" situation so far). If the Mets value Lastings Milledge enough to not trade him for Manny Ramirez then I don't see why they would trade him for Barry Zito. If they're trying to cut payroll by dumping Benson they won't succeed by adding Zito since he'll cost a lot more. And he hasn't pitched like an ace for three years, so why expect him to in New York all of a sudden? I think their money could be better spent and they still need relief help more than they need a number 2/3 starter.