A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

[AI_Franchise]

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Late Wednesday, another rumor popped up, with the Phillies said to have offered outfielder Bobby Abreu, catcher Mike Lieberthal and pitching prospect Gavin Floyd for lefty Barry Zito and catcher Jason Kendall.

[BGarrett7]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Anything that gets Abreu out of the NL, I am all for. Make it happen, Phils.

[ZM Punk]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Wow it looks like Billy Beane is once again ripping a team a new one in a trade. I mean giving away one of the top RF's in the game and a potential top of the line starter for Zito. Even though Zito is my favorite player and is a good pitcher the Phillies are giving up way to much for a guy that seems like much of the league has figured out and a veteran catcher.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

This would be a horrible trade for the Phillies, yet every fan I've talked to here wants to do it. Although in the rumor I heard, it was the Phillies including David Bell instead of Gavin Floyd. That would have been slightly better; this is just terrible.

[ZM Punk]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

This would be a horrible trade for the Phillies, yet every fan I've talked to here wants to do it. Although in the rumor I heard, it was the Phillies including David Bell instead of Gavin Floyd. That would have been slightly better; this is just terrible.

Yeah Bell would be the better option. It seems to me that the Phillies are just trying anything to catch up to the Mets this offseason. If that means tremedously over valuing Barry Zito a guy who might not even be there in 2007 thats what their going to do. I bet Billy Beane is foaming at the mouth at this deal especially if it involves Floyd.

[dieselboy]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

It appears Zito is going to be traded atleast somewhere this winter.

[ZM Punk]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

It appears Zito is going to be traded atleast somewhere this winter.

I think now its about 50/50 now that the winter meetings are over. Either way he's out of Oakland before the trade deadline.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Yeah Bell would be the better option. It seems to me that the Phillies are just trying anything to catch up to the Mets this offseason. If that means tremedously over valuing Barry Zito a guy who might not even be there in 2007 thats what their going to do. I bet Billy Beane is foaming at the mouth at this deal especially if it involves Floyd.

Floyd's messed up in the head now, but he could still recover and be a good major league pitcher.

Either way, the Phillies are getting completely massacred in either deal.

[Jimplication]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Ed Wade is gone, and I expect the mediocre deal making to leave with him.. Until something happens, these rumors are nothing more than that, and I like the post-Wade moves the Phillies have made so far.

[ZM Punk]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Floyd's messed up in the head now, but he could still recover and be a good major league pitcher.

Either way, the Phillies are getting completely massacred in either deal.

I just don't know how you can give up on a guy who just last year was considered the top LHP prospect in the NL after just one year.

[rsox]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Unless the Phillies are paying a significant amount of money in this trade it will never happen.
Zito and Kendall combine for over $16 million, Abreu and Lieberthal combine for over $22 million and throwing Bell in the deal instead of Floyd combine the three for over $28 million, the A's would never take on all that salary unless the Phils foot some of the bill.

[Programmed2Kill]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

I would do this deal so fast.

Zito would be much better over in the National League and Kendall is WAY better than Lieberthal.

The only people who love Abreu are the stat geeks. Unless you live in this city and have actually watched the guy play, you just do not know how lackadaisical Abreu is. No urgency in his game, whatsoever. And his Gold Glove award is a total sham, because he is one of the worst defending outfielders in baseball. Nobody can throw any stat or say anything that can tell me otherwise about the guy. He does not help your team win when it's time to turn it up for the late playoff run.

As for Floyd, I don't want to give up on him. But nobody knows how he will turn out and the Phils are trying to win now. And he really has looked like he lost a swagger to his game. Like he lost something.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Wow it looks like Billy Beane is once again ripping a team a new one in a trade. I mean giving away one of the top RF's in the game and a potential top of the line starter for Zito. Even though Zito is my favorite player and is a good pitcher the Phillies are giving up way to much for a guy that seems like much of the league has figured out and a veteran catcher.

agreed, if this trade went doen and I'm the Phillies owner the gm would get fired so fast. Abreu worth a lot in my book.

[mjb2124]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

Kendall is WAY better than Lieberthal.

I'm not so sure of that. Stat-wise, they both were terrible last year.

Kendall's problem is he commands 10 MIL per year for a singles hitter. He had 0 HR's last year and has never hit many throughout his career. He's also a slightly above average defensive catcher IMO. Even when he was with the Pirates I thought he was overrated.

[TheLetterZ]

Re: A's & Phils rumor: Abreu,Lieberthal,Floyd for Zito/Kendall

I just don't know how you can give up on a guy who just last year was considered the top LHP prospect in the NL after just one year.

Floyd's a RHP; you might be thinking of Cole Hamels.