Coco Crisp to Boston....

[CWood2]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Don't like this trade. In 3 years, I happen to think Andy Marte will be the best player involved in this transaction. You don't move a stud prospect like him. If this is the best they can do to replace Damon, then I am not impressed. I like Crisp, a lot, but I like Marte more.

Thumbs down from me.

I happen to feel the same way, but part of me says that Crisp will be one of my favorite players for a long time. Marte was one of my favorite prospects in baseball as I follow the Braves, so obviously it hurts to acquire the guy and then let him go before he plays a game here. That same part says that he could alleviate the loss of Manny in a few years, and that to me will be our ultimate long term challenge (he's still here because we couldn't get a right-handed power bat in return).

I've heard that we'll give up another prospect and get 2 from the Indians. If we can get value from those two guys and give up a level B prospect at best, I realize this makes a lot of sense and can't be against it. It is, however, a much larger risk than Hanley, who far from dominated AA never mind AAA. Not to mention...the Indians could really be nasty for years to come!!

[Birdsonbat]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

I disagree. Trading a prospect for a proven player is a no brainer IMO, especially when the prospect doesn't play a position that is a need for the team and the proven player does.

I just have to believe that Marte and Mota could bring a better player than Crisp. That is no knock on Crisp, I wish the Cards would have never sent him away. He would have looked great in lf.

[CWood2]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

I just have to believe that Marte and Mota could bring a better player than Crisp. That is no knock on Crisp, I wish the Cards would have never sent him away. He would have looked great in lf.

When you're trading a top prospect and a top setup man when he's pitching effectively inside, I don't think that's an unreasonable statement. Now, if we're getting someone like Ryan Garko back, I'm listening...I've heard Sowers and Snyder discussed who have both slipped a bit.

[Stu]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

When you're trading a top prospect and a top setup man when he's pitching effectively inside, I don't think that's an unreasonable statement. Now, if we're getting someone like Ryan Garko back, I'm listening...I've heard Sowers and Snyder discussed who have both slipped a bit.

You have to understand though that Mota's value is nowhere near it was when he was a top setup man. Either way, I'm gonna wait and see what the final deal is before offering any judgement.

[Beantown]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

You have to understand though that Mota's value is nowhere near it was when he was a top setup man. Either way, I'm gonna wait and see what the final deal is before offering any judgement.

Yeah, I'll wait to see what prospects are involved and everything, but I like this deal. We give away a prospect, even with good potential, and a set-up man we don't really need, for a proven CF who fills a HUGE need for us.

[CWood2]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Unless Garko was in the deal, I'm not sure I really have a strong feeling for any other prospects that they'd be willing to part with. I'll admit much of my disappointment is not being able to see Marte come up in the Sox system, so I guess I'll let it materialize and wait to make a final judgement also.

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

When you're trading a top prospect and a top setup man when he's pitching effectively inside, I don't think that's an unreasonable statement. Now, if we're getting someone like Ryan Garko back, I'm listening...I've heard Sowers and Snyder discussed who have both slipped a bit.

Really? Sowers has been tearing up for the Indians in the minors... he's being looked at as a callup for this year. It's all over the Indians home page... I don't see us trading him at all.

[CWood2]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Really? Sowers has been tearing up for the Indians in the minors... he's being looked at as a callup for this year. It's all over the Indians home page... I don't see us trading him at all.

I'd take Sowers or Adam Miller for sure, I just don't expect to see them in the deal either! Here's to hoping if this is in fact agreed on...

Hey Superstar, what's your take on Garko...is he pretty much untouchable? I'm hoping that since you have Hafner and Martinez at first and catcher, they may consider moving him at some point??

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Unless Garko was in the deal, I'm not sure I really have a strong feeling for any other prospects that they'd be willing to part with. I'll admit much of my disappointment is not being able to see Marte come up in the Sox system, so I guess I'll let it materialize and wait to make a final judgement also.

I'd hate to think we'd give up Garko! The man is a hitting machiene. The only problem is we already have Victor at catcher... as long as Garko's move to 1st goes well I think he'd be a great fit for us. What are the level of prospect the Indians are supposed to be giving up?

[CWood2]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Yeah, Garko strikes me as a professional hitter already, he's going to be a good one. As far as the prospects, I haven't seen anything outside of speculation...I'd be shocked if it were him, or even Sowers. Someone like Aubrey or Snyder might make more sense since they've regressed. Guess we'll have to see, but I'm glad that Garko is blocked for now.

[The C]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

I'd hate to think we'd give up Garko! The man is a hitting machiene. The only problem is we already have Victor at catcher... as long as Garko's move to 1st goes well I think he'd be a great fit for us. What are the level of prospect the Indians are supposed to be giving up?

Wait, why would we have to give up any prospects of value?

They need Crisp more than we need Marte and Mota. We could very well keep Crisp and be just as happy.

Besides, in the Plain Dealer this morning it mentioned something along the lines that Indians officals feel Marte would need another year in AAA.

[CWood2]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Here's the link I've been looking for from yesterday that suggests that this will be a 6 person trade involving more prospects. It could have changed since yesterday, but nonetheless...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/21/sox_hope_to_work_indians_to_a_crisp/?rss_id=Red+Sox+stories+from+Boston.com

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

interesting... I guess this also means we found a replacement for Crisp.

[Ckhoss29]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

Wait, why would we have to give up any prospects of value?

They need Crisp more than we need Marte and Mota. We could very well keep Crisp and be just as happy.

Besides, in the Plain Dealer this morning it mentioned something along the lines that Indians officals feel Marte would need another year in AAA.

Supposedly there are not prospects in the deal from what it said on the Indians site it just mentioned Crisp for Mota and Marte.

The only thing I don't like is we are giving up a .300 hitter who plays very good defense and has 15 homer power for a power hitting prospect.

Hey a few years ago we traded for a "Can't Miss Prospect" and so far he hasn't been able to handle major league pitchers. Anyone guess it yet?

I am talking about none other than Brandon Phillips who was the top prospect in the Minors in 2002. Luckily we got Sizemore and Lee in the same deal so it worked out.

A prospect is just that though, you never know what they are going to do, yes Marte is a highly touted one but his defense is right now not very good, I think he made 26 errors last year, and right now we are looking at trading either Betancourt or Rhodes for a roleplayer outfielder in Michaels.

The Indians will contend this year but I don't really know if I like the way they are going about it, it looks like they are still rebuilding going for more prospects.

[GBrushTWood]

Re: Boston to trade Marte and Mota for Crisp

I disagree. Trading a prospect for a proven player is a no brainer IMO, especially when the prospect doesn't play a position that is a need for the team and the proven player does.

I like Coco Crisp a lot, but I'm really tired of the Red Sox moving all their prospects. Obviously, if you are receiving superstar calibre players in return (Schilling, Beckett), then the risk in giving away a young, cheap, stud player is mitigated quite a bit because the return has been of high level.

When you are receiving Coco Crisp in return, the risk to me is a lot higher, because Crisp is not a superstar level player. He's certainly a solid player, and I like him a lot, but he is not a player you can build your team around. Andy Marte is a player who, by all accounts, you can build around. This is primarily why I think the risk here is too high to make the transaction.

I understand that they currently have Adam Stern as the starting centerfielder and this is unacceptable, but this is the kind of "thinking ahead planning" that needed to be made during the Johnny Damon negotiations. You can choose to pass on Damon for the extra money that he seeks, but you MUST have plans B, C, and D that are viable as replacements. This looks like plan G or H.

As it stands now, this is one of least desireable options to me, because you are losing a future stud third baseman. Again, I'd like to emphasize that I like Coco Crisp a lot, but this is a move that I see haunting the Red Sox down the road, because Cleveland is a significant competitor in the American League.

I'm afraid this is a transaction they have almost been "forced" into making, but that doesn't mean I have to like it one bit. Obviously, they've decided that Jason Michaels, Jeremy Reed, and Dave Roberts were less desireable in some way than moving Marte for Crisp. I have to disagree, but I'm not privy to the inside negotiations, so I don't know much. I'm pretty bitter about this move overall.

It's clear to me that the Red Sox did not adequately prepare for the off-season center field search while negotiating with Johnny Damon. After he bolted for New York, the Red Sox were left with their thumb up their asses. Well, you know what happens when you hold your thumb up your *** for a month? Your finger gets brown and dirty, and that's how they appear after being forced to move Marte.