Official Barry Bonds Thread

[countryboy]

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And I can care less about Bonds, but it takes away from Gon. If they are booing him then I can see why he did it. I don't know his motive, but I can understand it. And for the record I said before Bonds is a jerk only caring about himself. So I don't know his motive why he did what he did, but you guys are so much against him that you look for every little thing on him and don't even think about why he might have done it.

You can careless about Bonds but justify everything he does. You call him a cheater, but are still ok with him hurting the integrity of the game. Whatever

And I don't care what his motive is. If he respected the game as he says he does, he could've at least stood on the top step of the dugout and applauded his fellow ball player.

[Scottdau]

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You can careless about Bonds but justify everything he does. You call him a cheater, but are still ok with him hurting the integrity of the game. Whatever

And I don't care what his motive is. If he respected the game as he says he does, he could've at least stood on the top step of the dugout and applauded his fellow ball player.

Yeah I supported him, but that is gone. I will say this taking roids is no worst then any other cheater out there . It brings shame to the game! I would not change that belief! And I see it different then you about why he didn't stand on the stair. Maybe that is why he didn't stand on not. But I know this, it would have taken away from Gonzo if the some fans were cheering and some were booing.

[BGarrett7]

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I completely agree, they are two completely different things. However, they are still categorized as cheating, and cheating is cheating... no matter what way you look at it.

So then where do you draw the line? Lying to an ump that you made a catch you actually trapped? Acting lik e you got hit by a pitch you really didn't? Stealing signs? Too much pinetar? All of those things are on the same lines as injecting steroids into your system?

[Scottdau]

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You can careless about Bonds but justify everything he does. You call him a cheater, but are still ok with him hurting the integrity of the game. Whatever

And I don't care what his motive is. If he respected the game as he says he does, he could've at least stood on the top step of the dugout and applauded his fellow ball player.

I don't justify what Bonds did he CHEATED, and should be banned, but I feel that way with any cheater. I wont say taking roids is worst, because cheating is cheating. If it effect the outcome of the game then that is cheating. I have some time to think of my own career and I realize the game I love more then any thing and wanted to play for ever and I would cheat, hell no! So I made that decision today. But I will not just look at everything Bonds does and think the worst. That is not me. But he did shame the game I can agree with that, just like the others that cheated too!

[Scottdau]

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So then where do you draw the line? Lying to an ump that you made a catch you actually trapped? Acting lik e you got hit by a pitch you really didn't? Stealing signs? Too much pinetar? All of those things are on the same lines as injecting steroids into your system?

That is up to the ump. No matter what you say to them, they wont recall a call lol. I hear what you are saying, but those are apart of the game. except stealing sign, pinetar and lying to the ump that is wrong! But when you scuff a ball, or spit on a ball then that is cheating and should be band. Or at least suspended 50 games! Cheating is wrong when we start to say one thing is worst then other then I have a problem! The problem I have all those thing I have mention change the out come of the game! That is cheating!

[BGarrett7]

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That is up to the ump. No matter what you say to them, they wont recall a call lol.

I believe the umpiring crew for Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS would strongly disagree with you on that.

except stealing sign, pinetar and lying to the ump that is wrong! But when you scuff a ball, or spit on a ball then that is cheating and should be band. Or at least suspended 50 games! Cheating is wrong when we start to say one thing is worst then other then I have a problem! The problem I have all those thing I have mention change the out come of the game! That is cheating!

So then you are, in fact saying, that the rules infractions that I listed are as bad for the game of baseball as steroid use?

[Scottdau]

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I believe the umpiring crew for Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS would strongly disagree with you on that.

So then you are, in fact saying, that the rules infractions that I listed are as bad for the game of baseball as steroid use?

The ones that people are saying to make the outcome come in their favor, yep! See roids is cheating, just like someone saying they caught the ball, or stealing signs. I would be pissed if that happen to me as player. Roids is a form of cheating no worst no better. You can say all you want, I just don't see it that way. Cheating is cheating. So you will teach your kid to cheat, that is cool! The reason roids is bad it hurt you. So I wouldn't want my kid to take them! But it is still a form of cheating. Lets say roids are still illegal but they weren't dangerous is it still bad. Or if roids were still bad for you but not illegal and baseball allow it, would it be cheating! My point is this roids effect the outcome of the game just like the other things do.

[Scottdau]

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I believe the umpiring crew for Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS would strongly disagree with you on that.

So then you are, in fact saying, that the rules infractions that I listed are as bad for the game of baseball as steroid use?

What I am saying if I told the ump I didn't catch that ball you need to call it a hit, they wont it, if they already call the out!

Think if you are a player and some one is juicing and you have to pitch to him, how would you feel. Or flip it you are a batter and the pitcher is scuffing the ball or spitting on it, and no one believe you! How will you feel!

[DGetz]

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The ones that people are saying to make the outcome come in their favor, yep! See roids is cheating, just like someone saying they caught the ball, or stealing signs. I would be pissed if that happen to me as player. Roids is a form of cheating no worst no better. You can say all you want, I just don't see it that way. Cheating is cheating. So you will teach your kid to cheat, that is cool! The reason roids is bad it hurt you. So I wouldn't want my kid to take them! But it is still a form of cheating. Lets say roids are still illegal but they weren't dangerous is it still bad. Or if roids were still bad for you but not illegal and baseball allow it, would it be cheating! My point is this roids effect the outcome of the game just like the other things do.

You're bringing up these questions like they're moral or ethical problems, when in actuality they're quite clear cut.

There are different levels of cheating in baseball, like there are in any sport. Yeah, all of it is bad but some types are worse than others and steroids are as bad as it gets.

If steroids were illegal but weren't dangerous, yes it would still be bad because it would be an unfair advantage. By agreeing to play in Major League Baseball players are entering into a contract to abide by the agreed upon standards. For example corking a bat is not terribly dangerous; neither is using a glove which is too big. However both are still illegal because they give an unfair advantage to people. Breaking the agreed upon rule is cheating, period.

If steroids were dangerous but not illegal either by US Law or in MLB then it would not be cheating to take them because there are no provisions to say you can't. The fact remains though that steroids are illegal and thats why they are illegal.

[Scottdau]

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You're bringing up these questions like they're moral or ethical problems, when in actuality they're quite clear cut.

There are different levels of cheating in baseball, like there are in any sport. Yeah, all of it is bad but some types are worse than others and steroids are as bad as it gets.

If steroids were illegal but weren't dangerous, yes it would still be bad because it would be an unfair advantage. By agreeing to play in Major League Baseball players are entering into a contract to abide by the agreed upon standards. For example corking a bat is not terribly dangerous; neither is using a glove which is too big. However both are still illegal because they give an unfair advantage to people. Breaking the agreed upon rule is cheating, period.

If steroids were dangerous but not illegal either by US Law or in MLB then it would not be cheating to take them because there are no provisions to say you can't. The fact remains though that steroids are illegal and thats why they are illegal.

The bottom line is cheating is cheating, if you guys want to say taking roids is worst go for it! But I will tell you something if you were playing against a pitcher or team that cheated, I am pretty sure that would piss you off. It would me! I am not saying roids are good, I am just saying their are all kinds of cheats in baseball, but go ahead defend that roids are worst. But it is just my opinion doesn't mean I right or wrong. The thing is roids are the big issue today, so everybody thinks they are the worst. Look at football roids were a real problem back in the day, and people didn't even think twice about it! And if you guys think roids are not going on in football today, well maybe it just me, but those players are stronger and faster than they have ever been! I am just saying a cheat is cheat. Bonds is a cheat and all those others too!

[countryboy]

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I honestly can't believe that someone is justifying the use of steroids.

[Scottdau]

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I honestly can't believe that someone is justifying the use of steroids.

I am not saying take them, I am just saying that cheating is cheating. But think what you want! I am done! If you guys say it is OK to cheat as long as it is not roids, go for it! Roids are bad and bad for you, but I still believe cheating is cheating. People take roids to cheat and better their numbers just as others cheat to better their numbers. It is just my opinion doesn't mean I am wrong or right! We just see things different. And that is cool.
And nowhere did I say I support roids, I am just saying cheating is cheating and they are wrong no matter how you look at it!

[countryboy]

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I am not saying take them, I am just saying that cheating is cheating. But think what you want! I am done! If you guys say it is OK to cheat as long as it is not roids, go for it! Roids are bad and bad for you, but I still believe cheating is cheating. People take roids to cheat and better their numbers just as others cheat to better their numbers. It is just my opinion doesn't mean I am wrong or right! We just see things different. And that is cool.
And nowhere did I say I support roids, I am just saying cheating is cheating and they are wrong no matter how you look at it!

I never said that you support roids, but you are seemingly justifying there use by comparing it to a spitball, corked bat, oversized glove, and too much pinetar.

I myself see things differently as you noted. In my opinion, taking steroids is the ultimate slap in the face to your fellow competitors. Bar none. You are making yourself stronger, not just for a game or two, but for an entire season. I don't care who it is that has taken roids, be it Bonds, Sheffield, Giambi, Conseco, McGwire, or let it be Pujols, Rolen, Drew, or any of my other favorite players and I'll have the same argument. If you take steroids, you should be banned for life from the game and have your name taken out of any record books. I don't care if you hit 800 homeruns before you got caught. You get caught you are no longer associated with the game of baseball, period.

Yes I have a problem with Bonds. But it goes further than any steroid scandal. He has the idea in his head that he is bigger than the game, and that is an attitude that I cannon tolerate, nor will I tolerate. He refused to celebrate a career milestone of one of his fellow competitors. And fans can try and justify by saying that he didn't want to ruin Gonzo's moment. Well that I respect. And Bonds did that by refusing to step on the field with Gonzo knowing the reaction that he might receive. But there is no reason, not a mere one, that he couldn't stand next to his teammates on the dugout step and applaud the man. I don't care if a few fans in the front rows would have booed him. Not that many fans in the ballpark were going to pay that much attention to the Giants dugout to see if Bonds was on the step so that they could boo him. There was nine innings of baseball for that, and many a series to play. Give the fans of Arizona a little credit. You act as if the only reason fans go to the ballpark now is to heckle Bonds. And that is not the case. Most fans want to see the ballgame, not give more attention to an arrogant, pompus, A-Hole, that may or may not have taken steroids in order to break one of baseball's most prestigous records.

[Scottdau]

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Very well stated, peace!

[countryboy]

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Very well stated, peace!

Peace.