A-Rod

[nyyanksfan20]

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Yeah I was wrong it was the year before that which Chavez played 125 games and still won the gold glove, not half a year either but a significant amount of time. Sorry been listening to Michael Kay too much.

[BGarrett7]

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Yeah I was wrong it was the year before that which Chavez played 125 games and still won the gold glove, not half a year either but a significant amount of time. Sorry been listening to Michael Kay too much.

I would say playing in nearly 80% of your team's games qualifies you for a defensive award. This isn't exactly a case of Palmeiro winning it at 1B in '99 with only having played 28 games there.

[deeman11747]

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I would say playing in nearly 80% of your team's games qualifies you for a defensive award. This isn't exactly a case of Palmeiro winning it at 1B in '99 with only having played 28 games there.

Tino's award!!!!

[Thrasha]

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What rating category was that you were getting from BP, Misfit? Their are so many defensive ones out I can't remember more than 3 of them.

[glucklich]

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As much as it sucks, considering the Sox could have had him (not that I really care aside from a talent standpoint, we won a WS and that's all I wanted), he has become a better third baseman than he was shortstop. That's the one reason whenever I get in arguments with friends over who the best player in the league is (usually between Pujols and A-Rod), I stick with A-Rod. Because along side of being just as good of a hitter as Pujols and a bigger threat on the basepaths, he is one of the best defensive players in the league as well. So yeah, even being a Sox fan, I can admit how damn good he is, and that he is in fact a better 3B than he was at SS now.

EDIT: Of course, about two seconds after I posted this, I saw Pujols jacked three homeruns in today's game. Heh, talk about irony.

He's not as good at hitting as Pujols. He's a better all around player perhaps but not a better hitter.

[keRplunK]

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Games at 3B (2005)
Chavez: 151
ARod: 157

Defensive Rating (Baseball Prospectus)
Chavez: 7
ARod: -5

Chavez was the clear winner. He's probably the best in the game right now (though Rolen would have to argue).

Defensive stats are far from the end all in how good a fielder is. If you take all of the different defensive metrics and they all say the same thing....then you might be able to draw a conclusion.

[deeman11747]

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Defensive stats are far from the end all in how good a fielder is. If you take all of the different defensive metrics and they all say the same thing....then you might be able to draw a conclusion.

I hate defensive ratings... theres just too many variables that make them random.

[NYJets]

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I hate defensive ratings... theres just too many variables that make them random.

Same.

What ever happened to just watching the players play?

[Misfit]

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You only dislike the measurement because its not kind to Arod . No numerical value is the be all and end all measurement of how good a player is on defense, but a difference in score as big as the one between Chavez and Arod's last year is significant and it can be said that Chavez was superiour at third to Arod in 2005.

What rating category was that you were getting from BP, Misfit? Their are so many defensive ones out I can't remember more than 3 of them.

It has appeared in the last few BP Annuals. Their defense rating measures how many runs abover or below average the team allowed or saved (0 being neutral, a positive value good and a negative one bad). It is just listed as "Defense."

[deeman11747]

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You only dislike the measurement because its not kind to Arod . No numerical value is the be all and end all measurement of how good a player is on defense, but a difference in score as big as the one between Chavez and Arod's last year is significant and it can be said that Chavez was superiour at third to Arod in 2005.

Not really... seeing A-Rod save numerous doubles everyday keeps me happy enough to ignore the rating. Personally the only numerical measurement that can be considered accurate are statistics over a large sample size... and even those dont tell the whole story because of all the variables.

Like Jets said.. people just need t start watching guys play and not making up new ways to measure the guys' value.

And I'd think youd dislike those ratings more than me as you watch Manny's approach absolute zero with the way he played left last year. This year hes been pretty sick oddly enough. Hes got to make up for his offense somehow. :wink:

[Thrasha]

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It has appeared in the last few BP Annuals. Their defense rating measures how many runs abover or below average the team allowed or saved (0 being neutral, a positive value good and a negative one bad). It is just listed as "Defense."

D'oh

And I've been thumbing through BP06 the past week or so and haven't even noticed that. Thanks