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  • skitch
    Fear Ameer
    • Oct 2002
    • 12349

    #31
    Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

    Read this in the paper this morning, was very surprised. Then I saw the video tonight on PTI.. wow. What an idiot. I've been very high on Delmon Young since he was drafted, but come on.

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    • rsox
      All Star
      • Feb 2003
      • 6309

      #32
      Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

      It's one thing to argue with the umpires, it's one thing to criticize officials in any sport but once it turns violent it's hard to go back. Delmon Young deserves a long suspension, not for the remainder of the season, but for 1 whole year. And make it so he can't attend spring training with the big club next year as well. A slap on the wrist suspension will just open the door for similar incidents in the future.

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      • cjonesfan921
        UGH, next year
        • Jan 2005
        • 20081

        #33
        Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

        They just showed a clip on SC, wow what an idiot. Put it on ESPN guys, they are going to show it soon. It looks like he was walking out then he was out of the picture and threw it at the ump. What a moron.

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        • VanCitySportsGuy
          NYG_Meth
          • Feb 2003
          • 9351

          #34
          Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

          What an assclown.

          It sure looked like it wasn't just a simple flick of the bat. The bat was travelling pretty fast. If he had hit the ump in the head, it could have been a criminal matter.

          I'm not aware of the history of suspensions in AAA, but I would give this clown at least 50 games.

          It's one thing to mouth off a ump but its another thing to throw a bat at him.

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          • Stoud
            MVP
            • Mar 2003
            • 1259

            #35
            Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

            Wow...I'm shocked at the reaction to this. You know what it's called when you come to conculsions without evidence? A fallacy! A Video of a player walking off the field only to see a bat come flying back at the umpire is not good enough evidence. You didn't see the circumstances in which is was thrown, or even who threw it, or what happened. For all you know (however unlikely) it could have just slipped out of his hands.

            I am not condoning this behavior in any way, but I am noticing something few if any people have bothered to about this -- there's no real evidence against him at this point beyond "he said, she said". You guys need to quit throwing guys into the fire just because of a little hearsay, and make no mistake, at this point that is all it is.

            As for the consequences he should face for what he did -- if he did it purposefully, or even at all -- I wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for him if he was suspended for a year, but just based on the fact that he is trying to progress as a player and create his own career, I think 3-6 months is more of a reasonable suspension. No doubt in my mind it should be longer than just a few games, or even a month.

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            • nyisles16
              All Star
              • Apr 2003
              • 8317

              #36
              Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

              Originally posted by Stoud
              Wow...I'm shocked at the reaction to this. You know what it's called when you come to conculsions without evidence? A fallacy! A Video of a player walking off the field only to see a bat come flying back at the umpire is not good enough evidence. You didn't see the circumstances in which is was thrown, or even who threw it, or what happened. For all you know (however unlikely) it could have just slipped out of his hands.

              I am not condoning this behavior in any way, but I am noticing something few if any people have bothered to about this -- there's no real evidence against him at this point beyond "he said, she said". You guys need to quit throwing guys into the fire just because of a little hearsay, and make no mistake, at this point that is all it is.

              As for the consequences he should face for what he did -- if he did it purposefully, or even at all -- I wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for him if he was suspended for a year, but just based on the fact that he is trying to progress as a player and create his own career, I think 3-6 months is more of a reasonable suspension. No doubt in my mind it should be longer than just a few games, or even a month.

              i dont care if he didnt do that "intentionally" or not.. he deserves to get a hefty suspension for his actions.. how far do these things have to go? does an umpire have to die first?? i recall another minor leaguer choking the ump after a call, & of course the "mad spitter" Alomar.. he also should have moved a little faster out of the box - to me he was clearly trying to instigate the confrontation.. wow - you strike out in your first AB in the game so you have to go all haywire.. sorry..

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              • Stoud
                MVP
                • Mar 2003
                • 1259

                #37
                Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                Originally posted by nyisles16
                i dont care if he didnt do that "intentionally" or not.. he deserves to get a hefty suspension for his actions.. how far do these things have to go? does an umpire have to die first?? i recall another minor leaguer choking the ump after a call, & of course the "mad spitter" Alomar.. he also should have moved a little faster out of the box - to me he was clearly trying to instigate the confrontation.. wow - you strike out in your first AB in the game so you have to go all haywire.. sorry..

                That's interesting...I pretty much condemned his behavior (pending on the investigation) and you took my comments to mean something entirely different? I'm sorry if I upset you, but I agree with you -- such behavior is unacceptable.

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                • CoRruPt-
                  MVP
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 1279

                  #38
                  Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                  Officials already take too much abuse in sports... no way it should've gone this far.

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                  • Lintyfresh85
                    Where have I been?
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 17492

                    #39
                    Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                    Originally posted by Stoud
                    Wow...I'm shocked at the reaction to this. You know what it's called when you come to conculsions without evidence? A fallacy! A Video of a player walking off the field only to see a bat come flying back at the umpire is not good enough evidence. You didn't see the circumstances in which is was thrown, or even who threw it, or what happened. For all you know (however unlikely) it could have just slipped out of his hands.

                    I am not condoning this behavior in any way, but I am noticing something few if any people have bothered to about this -- there's no real evidence against him at this point beyond "he said, she said". You guys need to quit throwing guys into the fire just because of a little hearsay, and make no mistake, at this point that is all it is.

                    As for the consequences he should face for what he did -- if he did it purposefully, or even at all -- I wouldn't feel the least bit sorry for him if he was suspended for a year, but just based on the fact that he is trying to progress as a player and create his own career, I think 3-6 months is more of a reasonable suspension. No doubt in my mind it should be longer than just a few games, or even a month.
                    You're a moron. I'm thinking the 1,000's of fans at the ballgame could identify him as the guy that threw the bat...

                    So it's a little more than He said/She said...

                    He hit the ump with a bat... end of story.

                    I was waiting for someone to try and come up with an excuse for Delmon... Good job, you're the first.
                    http://flotn.blogspot.com

                    Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                    Originally posted by trobinson97
                    Hell, I shot my grandmother, cuz she was old.

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                    • Lintyfresh85
                      Where have I been?
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 17492

                      #40
                      Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                      to further add to that... I just saw the video... and damn the man threw the bat at the ump... no toss... he threw it and hard. Year long suspension, anything less is a joke now.
                      http://flotn.blogspot.com

                      Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club

                      Originally posted by trobinson97
                      Hell, I shot my grandmother, cuz she was old.

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                      • mjb2124
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 13649

                        #41
                        Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                        Originally posted by Stoud
                        Wow...I'm shocked at the reaction to this. You know what it's called when you come to conculsions without evidence? A fallacy! A Video of a player walking off the field only to see a bat come flying back at the umpire is not good enough evidence. You didn't see the circumstances in which is was thrown, or even who threw it, or what happened. For all you know (however unlikely) it could have just slipped out of his hands.
                        Sorry man, but you have to be kidding me. I understand what you're saying, but this is VERY obvious.

                        Delmon has already apologized for the incident and stated he was wrong so hearsay is out of question. There's video of him doing it and it's pretty obvious. Not to mention many players, coaches, fans, stadium staff etc... saw him do this.

                        Just watch the velocity of the bat that comes at the ump. That's no mistake. That's intentional.

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                        • mjb2124
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 13649

                          #42
                          Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                          Originally posted by Superstar
                          You're a moron.
                          I missed this earlier when I posted, but you know better than to resort to namecalling Superstar.

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                          • Chuck
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 2121

                            #43
                            Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                            Originally posted by JJLinn
                            This shouldn't have even happened, Delmon should have been with the D-Rays since opening day, so technically you could blame their stupidity for this incident, but it was a really stupid thing to do. Even if it was one of those heat of the moment things, you have to control yourself.
                            Devil Rays management is probably estatic because they have an excuse not to call him up now, besides being too cheap.

                            It's hard to use the video to judge what happened because you don't actually see him. There's a big difference between if he was facing him when he tossed it, or if he still had his back to him, imo.
                            Last edited by Chuck; 04-27-2006, 10:27 PM.

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                            • Stoud
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1259

                              #44
                              Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                              Originally posted by joeboo
                              Sorry man, but you have to be kidding me. I understand what you're saying, but this is VERY obvious.

                              Delmon has already apologized for the incident and stated he was wrong so hearsay is out of question. There's video of him doing it and it's pretty obvious. Not to mention many players, coaches, fans, stadium staff etc... saw him do this.

                              Just watch the velocity of the bat that comes at the ump. That's no mistake. That's intentional.
                              Oy....you guys....

                              I'm making a statement about the fact that so many people nowadays seem perfectly fine with burning people at the stake in this country...the problem is that in America, there's a little thing called due process. For me, this isn't about the guy hitting the ump with the bat, it's the public upset, outcry, and downright attack of an American who really hasn't been given that. It's pretty clear that he's at fault for the incident, but it's also pretty clear that the incident has been blown up quite a bit. This behavior, as I've said twice now, is unacceptible. The problem is that everyone is willingly burning someone at the stake because a news report said someone did something. If you believe everything you read, or think you see, you're going to see a lot of shadows turn into ghosts or monsters of some kind. That kind of behavior is also unacceptible in a Democratic society.

                              I question this year long suspension thing because it seems like a number someone just thought up off the top of their head...can you provide some realistic reasons why he should get a year long suspension? I feel the need again to mention here that I am not trying to give this guy an excuse, or an easy way out, nor do I condone what he has done in any way, nor do I support it...hell, I don't know how many other ways to say it, but I'm sure I'm going to get further comments on how I'm somehow "on his side". I personally said 3 to 6 months might be reasonable. Why? Because much longer than that could have a serious affect on his career. Baseball is different than many other sports in that respect. You can't just stop playing for a full year and expect to continue on your road at the same pace....a year out of the game could effectively end his career. Are you telling me that his life should be ruined because of an admittedly scary example of poor sportsmanship? Learning your lesson is one thing, having to live with it having destroyed your career for the rest of your life is quite another.

                              IMO giving Delmon Young a year long suspension is liken to the situation with Pete Rose. You could be literally condemning the man over this. Are you really prepared to do that?

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                              • Chuck
                                MVP
                                • May 2003
                                • 2121

                                #45
                                Re: Example of poor sportsmanship..

                                Agreed about this being blown out of proportion. That tool on Sportcenter said that Young almost killed somebody. Come on, it was obviously stupid, but no one was remotly close to being in a life threatening position. And on ESPN's website there poll suggested a life time ban.

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