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  • eXperiment63
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    • Mar 2004
    • 3077

    #211
    Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

    1. 4sm Fastball

    2. 2sm fastball

    3. Slider

    4. Curve

    5. Cutter

    6. Circle Change-up


    7. Forkball

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    • chippered
      MVP
      • Aug 2002
      • 1528

      #212
      Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

      Originally posted by eXperiment63
      It isn't via the free agent market like say a Cuban refugee. It is via a restricted-FA. That means, unless there is wording in the contract AND the commish OK's that, he is under RS control for 6 years. Unless you are an unrestricted FA, which he is not, you need the commish to sign off on arbitration relinquishment. Like I said, he isn't gonna want to open up that can of worms. What is going onr ight now is the same as a draft basically, they secured the rights to negotiate. You CANNOT waive arbitration for a first-year restricted FA without the commish's approval.
      I understand what your saying, and I believe you and Trasha are correct, I was just stating what was being printed on ESPN.com. The fact that so many of the apparently obvious details were left out of the writers statement of Boras only wanting a three year deal so he could be a free agent at age 29 led me astray. Thanks for reeling me in.

      By the way, nice post above of all of his pitches. That circle change looks sick!
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      • SportsTop
        The Few. The Proud.
        • Jul 2003
        • 6716

        #213
        Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

        Originally posted by eXperiment63
        It isn't via the free agent market like say a Cuban refugee. It is via a restricted-FA. That means, unless there is wording in the contract AND the commish OK's that, he is under RS control for 6 years. Unless you are an unrestricted FA, which he is not, you need the commish to sign off on arbitration relinquishment. Like I said, he isn't gonna want to open up that can of worms. What is going onr ight now is the same as a draft basically, they secured the rights to negotiate. You CANNOT waive arbitration for a first-year restricted FA without the commish's approval.
        It looks like he could become an UFA after two years (not three and definitely not six).

        I don't know the ins and outs of MLBs relationship with Japanese baseball, but I would figure that K-Mats professional time in Japan will roll-over to his MLB status.

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        • eXperiment63
          MVP
          • Mar 2004
          • 3077

          #214
          Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

          Does his leg-whip with runners on remind anyone else of a legend named Pedro Martinez?

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          • Stu
            All Star
            • Jun 2004
            • 7924

            #215
            Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

            Originally posted by Squint
            It looks like he could become an UFA after two years (not three and definitely not six).

            I don't know the ins and outs of MLBs relationship with Japanese baseball, but I would figure that K-Mats professional time in Japan will roll-over to his MLB status.

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            It doesn't roll over. They need to put it in the contract that he is a Free Agent after a certain amount of time. This is what the Yankees did for Matsui.

            I'd be surprised if the Red Sox agreed to anything less than 3. They made a pretty big investment already and Boras doesn't really have much bargaining power here.
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            • eXperiment63
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              • Mar 2004
              • 3077

              #216
              Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

              The difference is that Matsui was a UFA, Matsuzaka is not. Selig will have to approve that language, and I highly doubt he will.

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                The Few. The Proud.
                • Jul 2003
                • 6716

                #217
                Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                Originally posted by eXperiment63
                The difference is that Matsui was a UFA, Matsuzaka is not. Selig will have to approve that language, and I highly doubt he will.
                What leads you to believe that you "highly doubt" Selig wouldn't approve it? My guess is that Selig would want to promote globalization of the league and (in effect) punishing a player from another league would detract from that.
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                • Thrasha
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                  • Nov 2004
                  • 3374

                  #218
                  Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                  Originally posted by Squint
                  What leads you to believe that you "highly doubt" Selig wouldn't approve it? My guess is that Selig would want to promote globalization of the league and (in effect) punishing a player from another league would detract from that.
                  Yeah, I'd agree that if the Red Sox agreed to it, Selig wouldn't really have any qualms about relinquishing Matsuzaka's arbitration years.


                  The thing is, I don't see the Red Sox doing that.
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                  • Lintyfresh85
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 17492

                    #219
                    Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                    geeze that forkball is absolutely nasty!
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                    • Stu
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                      • Jun 2004
                      • 7924

                      #220
                      Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                      Originally posted by Thrasha
                      Yeah, I'd agree that if the Red Sox agreed to it, Selig wouldn't really have any qualms about relinquishing Matsuzaka's arbitration years.


                      The thing is, I don't see the Red Sox doing that.
                      Of course they're going to do it, but I think they'll try to sign him to a deal longer than 3 years. There's just no way they can let a guy who they've already invested $50 mil in go back onto the market in 2 or 3 years. It's also important to understand that Boras has little to no bargaining power here. Contrary to popular belief, Matsuzaka is not a Free Agent after this year so he'd have to go through the posting process again next year.

                      This is what Buster Olney had in his column about it:

                      "So I expect that the Red Sox are going to offer something in the four years, $9 million-a-year range," said the official, "but maybe try to work out a six-year deal in order to get the average annual value of the total package down -- say, like six years at $10 million, which would get the AAV down below $20 million [$51.11 million bid, plus $60 million in salary].

                      "Boras basically is in an impossible situation, because nobody wants the negotiations to break down and have this guy go back to Japan. Seibu doesn't want him back, because they want to keep the $51 million. Matsuzaka doesn't want to go back, and a $10 million a year offer is a 300 percent raise for him over what he made in Japan. Major League Baseball wants him to stay, of course, because of the interest he's generated."

                      The only way Boras could get real leverage in the negotiations, besides threatening to return to Japan, would be if commissioner Bud Selig determines that the Red Sox are not acting in good faith in negotiations; Selig is the only party in this matter with the power to award negotiation rights to another team. "And do you think that the commissioner is going to step in and say that an offer of four years, $36 million is not fair to Matsuzaka?" said the official. "Of course not. He's livid about the bidding to begin with, about the possible overall cost being far more than $20 million a year. Do you really think he would step in to rescue Scott Boras?"


                      Ah, no. Which is why I think the Red Sox will make a solid offer, and stand on it, and assume that Boras doesn't have the guts to take his client back to Japan.
                      Last edited by Stu; 11-16-2006, 03:17 PM.
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                      • SportsTop
                        The Few. The Proud.
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 6716

                        #221
                        Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                        Originally posted by camulos
                        If Buster thinks Boras will back down then I don't agree with him at all.
                        Boras has to show that he can get his client top dollar for Japanese stars so others will sign on with him. You have to know that Boras is telling K-Mat that he shouldn't sign anything more than a three year deal because of all the money that can be made after a 3 year contract expires.
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                        • ELDoro
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                          • Feb 2003
                          • 798

                          #222
                          Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                          this guy will not be a bust.

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                          • eXperiment63
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 3077

                            #223
                            Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB



                            He must be fairly confident he is gonna sign with the Sox to have already given a farewell speech.

                            TOKOROZAWA, Japan, Nov. 23 (21:26) Kyodo

                            Daisuke Matsuzaka, who is in talks with the Boston Red Sox after
                            drawing a record bid, bode farewell to Seibu Lions fans Thursday when
                            he appeared in an event at the home field of the Pacific League team.

                            ''I'll try to do the best that I can do in America as a
                            representative of Japan and the Seibu Lions,'' Matsuzaka said to
                            about 36,000 fans who gathered at Invoice Seibu Dome to watch the
                            right-hander -- the Lions ace over the past eight years.

                            Matsuzaka took part in a baseball clinic for children and
                            triggered a flood of camera flashes from the stands when he took the
                            mound during an intra-squad game held as part of attractions at the
                            fan event.

                            Matsuzaka capped what was believed to be his final home-field
                            appearance in a Lions uniform with a ''farewell'' speech, which he
                            had not intended to deliver Thursday given that he is still in the
                            process of contract negotiations with the Red Sox.

                            Boston began talks with the prized 26-year-old pitcher after the
                            Lions announced on Nov. 15 that they had accepted a $51 million
                            offer, nearly four times the previous high the Seattle Mariners paid
                            for Ichiro Suzuki in 2000 under the so-called posting system.

                            Matsuzaka subsequently made a brief visit to the United States
                            to meet with Red Sox officials and his agent.

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                            • bravosfan
                              All Star
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 5184

                              #224
                              Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                              Negotiations between the Red Sox and Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka have essentially broken down, a source familiar with the talks said late last night, adding that unless there is an abrupt change of course, Matsuzaka will not be signing with the Red Sox before Thursday’s midnight deadline.

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                              • Misfit
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                                • Mar 2003
                                • 5766

                                #225
                                Re: Prized pitcher Matsuzaka given OK to pitch in MLB

                                It makes you wonder how much say Matsuzaka has in all of this as it sounds like Boras is running the show without any input from his client.

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