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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #16
    Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

    Earl Weaver really wasn't the last game to have no stamina bars.

    Another great game was Tony LaRussa Baseball 95 (for Genesis) - i never played the other TLB games so I can't comment on those.

    That was an EA Sports game and it had no stamina bars. It didn't exactly have mound visits, but if you pressed start, you can view comments from your pitching coach. He'll say things like, "He's pitching really well right now" or "He looks like he's beginning to tire, you might wanna start warming up the bullpen"

    But I agree with the original comments. Companies should get rid of that stamina bar and just show us through actions, velocity, accuracy, how a pitcher is doing endurance wise.

    Mound visits would also be great. Too bad High Heat 2000.02b was unable to really use the function because they ignored that it was not functional.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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    • CMH
      Making you famous
      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #17
      Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

      Earl Weaver really wasn't the last game to have no stamina bars.

      Another great game was Tony LaRussa Baseball 95 (for Genesis) - i never played the other TLB games so I can't comment on those.

      That was an EA Sports game and it had no stamina bars. It didn't exactly have mound visits, but if you pressed start, you can view comments from your pitching coach. He'll say things like, "He's pitching really well right now" or "He looks like he's beginning to tire, you might wanna start warming up the bullpen"

      But I agree with the original comments. Companies should get rid of that stamina bar and just show us through actions, velocity, accuracy, how a pitcher is doing endurance wise.

      Mound visits would also be great. Too bad High Heat 2000.02b was unable to really use the function because they ignored that it was not functional.
      "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

      "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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      • Dick_Smalls
        Pro
        • Jul 2002
        • 902

        #18
        Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

        I wonder if it's too late for any of the software companies to possibly implement this for this year's baseball games.......It shouldnt require much of intrusion to code it in to the existing game....however, Im not a programmer so maybe I am wrong

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        • Dick_Smalls
          Pro
          • Jul 2002
          • 902

          #19
          Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

          I wonder if it's too late for any of the software companies to possibly implement this for this year's baseball games.......It shouldnt require much of intrusion to code it in to the existing game....however, Im not a programmer so maybe I am wrong

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          • turn2dmk
            Pro
            • Jul 2002
            • 412

            #20
            Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

            im not a programmer either, but by now id think its too late to put it in because they are coming out in like a month, meaning now theyre probably putting finishing touches on it or ironing out bugs

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            • turn2dmk
              Pro
              • Jul 2002
              • 412

              #21
              Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

              im not a programmer either, but by now id think its too late to put it in because they are coming out in like a month, meaning now theyre probably putting finishing touches on it or ironing out bugs

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              • Jackrabbit
                Rookie
                • Jan 2003
                • 74

                #22
                Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                Also, shrugging of shoulders (breathing heavy) or uncontrolled periods of inactivity between pitches:
                -wiping sweat off brow
                -walking off rubber to to rub down ball
                -go hit the rosen bag
                -dig dirt out of cleats
                etc, etc, etc...

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                • Jackrabbit
                  Rookie
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 74

                  #23
                  Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                  Also, shrugging of shoulders (breathing heavy) or uncontrolled periods of inactivity between pitches:
                  -wiping sweat off brow
                  -walking off rubber to to rub down ball
                  -go hit the rosen bag
                  -dig dirt out of cleats
                  etc, etc, etc...

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                  • JRod
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 3266

                    #24
                    Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                    Just wanted to add one more thing,

                    Possibly the solution should be the pitch count. And average pitch count outings. Baseball managers have a way of measuring their pitchers staminas and it's throw pitch counts. It's not an exact science but it would give baseball games better realism.

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                    • JRod
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 3266

                      #25
                      Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                      Just wanted to add one more thing,

                      Possibly the solution should be the pitch count. And average pitch count outings. Baseball managers have a way of measuring their pitchers staminas and it's throw pitch counts. It's not an exact science but it would give baseball games better realism.

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                      • CMH
                        Making you famous
                        • Oct 2002
                        • 26203

                        #26
                        Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                        Just wanted to add one more thing,

                        Possibly the solution should be the pitch count. And average pitch count outings. Baseball managers have a way of measuring their pitchers staminas and it's throw pitch counts. It's not an exact science but it would give baseball games better realism.

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                        I agree, but for that to happen baseball developers will have to finally realize the art of throwing balls and having walks in games.

                        I always read somethin like, "if you take pitches you'll walk more often." We all know that isn't true. Mainly because there is always some kind of fat pitch left over the middle of the plate. Who's gonna take that? And the AI in baseball games usually tries to throw strikes. Even on 0-2 counts. The logic needs to be changed.

                        Oh, and if there are realistic pitch counts, then people are gonna have to learn to suck up one hour of play time to finish one game. I don't mind playing one hour b/c thats the average time i spend on a game anyways. but i've read some complaints on ASB taking 45 minutes. And developers continue to feel pressure on gettin games to finish faster. Which only means that they program the computer to throw strikes. We gotta decide on one thing...
                        "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                        "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                        • CMH
                          Making you famous
                          • Oct 2002
                          • 26203

                          #27
                          Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                          Just wanted to add one more thing,

                          Possibly the solution should be the pitch count. And average pitch count outings. Baseball managers have a way of measuring their pitchers staminas and it's throw pitch counts. It's not an exact science but it would give baseball games better realism.

                          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                          I agree, but for that to happen baseball developers will have to finally realize the art of throwing balls and having walks in games.

                          I always read somethin like, "if you take pitches you'll walk more often." We all know that isn't true. Mainly because there is always some kind of fat pitch left over the middle of the plate. Who's gonna take that? And the AI in baseball games usually tries to throw strikes. Even on 0-2 counts. The logic needs to be changed.

                          Oh, and if there are realistic pitch counts, then people are gonna have to learn to suck up one hour of play time to finish one game. I don't mind playing one hour b/c thats the average time i spend on a game anyways. but i've read some complaints on ASB taking 45 minutes. And developers continue to feel pressure on gettin games to finish faster. Which only means that they program the computer to throw strikes. We gotta decide on one thing...
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • johnnyg83
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 1060

                            #28
                            Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                            Smalls brings up a great point about Earl Weaver.

                            It was dramatic when you went out to the mound in the late innings and your pitcher was out of gas. You knew that of you put a pitch near the strike zone it was going to get crushed -- so you pitched around batters until your reliever got warm.

                            But if you were in jam and there was nowhere to put the runner -- and your reliever wasn't warm -- and you didn't have anymore mound visits -- there was a palpable sense of excitement that you don't get with the newer games.

                            I'm not sure if the pitching meter ruined that -- but I since EWB I've felt the games were made too much in the math and art departments and not enough in the drama dept.


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                            • johnnyg83
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 1060

                              #29
                              Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                              Smalls brings up a great point about Earl Weaver.

                              It was dramatic when you went out to the mound in the late innings and your pitcher was out of gas. You knew that of you put a pitch near the strike zone it was going to get crushed -- so you pitched around batters until your reliever got warm.

                              But if you were in jam and there was nowhere to put the runner -- and your reliever wasn't warm -- and you didn't have anymore mound visits -- there was a palpable sense of excitement that you don't get with the newer games.

                              I'm not sure if the pitching meter ruined that -- but I since EWB I've felt the games were made too much in the math and art departments and not enough in the drama dept.


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                              • snaz16
                                *p*r*t**n Sp*rts J*nk**
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 661

                                #30
                                Re: PITCH STAMINA bars...Why is this a STANDARD??

                                You hit the nail on the head. And to take it one step further,a correct number of foul balls per game also impact the pitch count tremendously. This will also increase the playing time. HH has indicated a slider for foul ball frequency,so we will have to wait on how they will manage pitch count in relation to fatigue. We can't have it both ways.
                                I've wondered if they could just take an avg. of fouls that occur per inn. an add that to a pitch count(in lieu of slider settings)and also use the number of times the pitcher throws over to hold a runner to achieve a more realistic pitch count.
                                I believe they use the number of batters as opposed to pitch counts,because of the human tendency to hack at everything in sight. Even in HH where I could draw 4 to 6 walks on avg.,the fatigue factor on the AI was still low because I didn't get a lot of hits. I had thier pitch count in the 80's(a lack of fouls or it would be higher) in the 7th,but he's still strong. I would like to be rewarded for a good eye. But I understand where the developers are coming from.
                                Like you said, sliders will help, but be prepared for some 1 to 2 hr. games.

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