Breaking News: Bonds failed drug test

[MassNole]

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Anywho it's nice to have an argument/debate without namecalling and what not. I'll find it hard for anyone to make me change my mind on Bonds but at least it's good to throw opinions around.

True that.

And i would hope no one thinks I am accusing Ripken of using illegally obtained prescription pain killers to take the field to break Gehrig's record, I was merely using him hypothetically as he was beloved.

[ExtremeGamer]

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True that.

And i would hope no one thinks I am accusing Ripken of using illegally obtained prescription pain killers to take the field to break Gehrig's record, I was merely using him hypothetically as he was beloved.

I agree... good convo guys. No one getting riled up and flipping out. Very civil.

And I think we all knew what you meant Mass..

[Scottdau]

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You honestly believe that, even if it was done so with assistance of illegal performance enhancers?

I will say one thing if they ever get to the bottom of this. I bet you it more then just Bonds. I say half the leauge or more have taken something.

[MassNole]

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I agree... good convo guys. No one getting riled up and flipping out. Very civil.

And I think we all knew what you meant Mass..

I would hope so, but you never know on the intraweb how someone will take something.

[BGarrett7]

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It isn't that bad. A lot of players take them.

And a lot of people currently inhabit our penal system for the crimes that they have committed, should we look the other way on their transgressions simply because "a lot of [people break the law]"?

I will say one thing if they ever get to the bottom of this. I bet you it more then just Bonds. I say half the leauge or more have taken something.

And that still doesn't make it acceptable or justifiable. I don't care if it comes out that 100% of the players in the league from 1986 thru 2004 were on steroids, level playing field or not, the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs is not right.

[dl2518]

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You honestly believe that, even if it was done so with assistance of illegal performance enhancers?

Well, until they prove he took steroids yes I believe that. Once they prove it then I will change my mind. This is America, the last time I checked, and you are innocent until proven guilty!

[ExtremeGamer]

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Well, until they prove he took steroids yes I believe that. Once they prove it then I will change my mind. This is America, the last time I checked, and you are innocent until proven guilty!

Unfortunately, that's not how it works with athletes. Look at McGwire, he's never been proven to take anything, yet almost every baseball writer in America considers him a roid user. It's a shame, but that's how it is now.

[Scottdau]

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And a lot of people currently inhabit our penal system for the crimes that they have committed, should we look the other way on their transgressions simply because "a lot of [people break the law]"?

And that still doesn't make it acceptable or justifiable. I don't care if it comes out that 100% of the players in the league from 1986 thru 2004 were on steroids, level playing field or not, the use of illegal performance enhancing drugs is not right.

I didn't say it was right. I am just saying what are you going to do punish everyone or just Bonds

[Scottdau]

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Unfortunately, that's not how it works with athletes. Look at McGwire, he's never been proven to take anything, yet almost every baseball writer in America considers him a roid user. It's a shame, but that's how it is now.

To me that is what is wrong. Maybe he did take them, but who are we to judge. If he is found guilty then sure you can say all you want. It is becoming a witch hunt!

[BGarrett7]

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I didn't say it was right. I am just saying what are you going to do punish everyone or just Bonds

Everyone, obviously. At least to the point in which it is possible. A fine start would be with someone like Bonds, who possibly perjured himself by lying to a federal grand jury.

[BGarrett7]

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... but who are we to judge.

Considering the BBWAA -- whom I think we can all agree aren't the greatest examples of moral highness -- votes on Hall of Fame membership, I think they are at least a pretty fair judge.

[jim416]

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I was thinking the same thing. If you got caught doing something you shouldn't take your punishment like a man and don't try to blame someone else for your own stupidity.

Well, don't really care about the HOF.

Bonds is either stupid, i.e, uses an unknown ingredient lotion on his body,
picks up pills from somebody elses locker and pops them in his mouth.

Or, he's a liar. I think he's a liar. Are there liars in the HOF? Yep. Do I respect this liar for not taking his lumps, for blaming others? Nope.

[dl2518]

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Unfortunately, that's not how it works with athletes. Look at McGwire, he's never been proven to take anything, yet almost every baseball writer in America considers him a roid user. It's a shame, but that's how it is now.

Yeah, I hear you. The thing that's unfortunate for McGwire is he's the first guy under suspiscion of Steroids to be eligible so I'm not surprised by the reaction. It will e interesting to see what happens in a few years from now!

[The_Beastmaster]

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Can't respect someone who blames someone else and says something as dumb as:

It's Sweeney's fault, he had it in his locker to begin with, and I went into his locker and took it from him and used it, not knowing what it is.
That's so believeable on so many levels.

[caseyd]

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Which is exactly why Bonds will continue to be the brunt of all this. He shoots himself in the foot constantly. Lying and blaming others won't get you anywhere with the media or the general public. It also doesn't help that while doing this, he's approaching one of the most sacred records in all of sports.