Odalis Perez throws fastball with no spin

[skitch]

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I can't really blame Odalis for discontinuing the program. It's only human nature to want some recognition for what you're doing for everybody... If I was shelling out thousands of dollars each season, I'd sure as hell want some recognition for it.

[AI_Franchise]

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Alright, whatever.

No, why please tell me how you interpreted his opinions?

By taking offense to the "no zero about him"...I'm going to assume the user is the average kind-hearted donating American, must be that's why he's so passionate on the subject. Sorry.

[Brandon13]

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No, why please tell me how you interpreted his opinions?

By taking offense to the "no zero about him"...I'm going to assume the user is the average kind-hearted donating American, must be that's why he's so passionate on the subject. Sorry.

To me he's just saying that Perez is going about the whole charity thing backwards. He shouldn't be doing charity for recognition, he should be doing it because it's a good thing to do. That's what I think he was saying.

My opinion is pretty much the same but it's his money so he can do whatever he wants with it.

[nkhera1]

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No, why please tell me how you interpreted his opinions?

By taking offense to the "no zero about him"...I'm going to assume the user is the average kind-hearted donating American, must be that's why he's so passionate on the subject. Sorry.

I think he is trying to say that Odaliz Perez should be doing the charity from his heart and not for recognition.

[mike01]

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he either cares about the kids or he doesn't........

obviously, he doesn't.

I guess that $8 million hes making this year to be a crappy pitcher isn't enough for him.

hes pathetic.

[Lintyfresh85]

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man I really wish I got to see this video.... a 90 mph knuckleball must be awesome to see.

[Chaos81]

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If I was shelling out thousands of dollars each season, I'd sure as hell want some recognition for it.

Lets assume for a second he was spending $500 a start on tickets. The last three seasons he has started 70 games. Simple math gives you that he would have spent $35,000 over three years. He's made what, $20 million plus in that time?

Doing some more simple math, he's spent a whopping .175% of his salary in three years. Break that down into reasonable terms, if you made $50,000 a year you will have spent $87.50 a year, for a total of $262.50 of that time span.

Thousands of dollars or not, when you break it down to what it would be for an average person, you realize how little he's actually spending. This is even assuming he's only made $20 million in those 3 years. I'm think he's made more.


You'll have to excuse me if my math is off, I'm pretty much exhausted right now.

[Jetsfan119]

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Ok, so he throws a 90 MPH knuckle ball...Why does he still suck then?? Hes no good...sweet pitch, but no good.

[mjb2124]

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Ok, so he throws a 90 MPH knuckle ball...Why does he still suck then?? Hes no good...sweet pitch, but no good.

Doesn't look like a knuckleball as it doesn't have knuckleball movement. Just a 90 MPH pitch that's straight with no spin.

At least that's what it appeared to be from the video.

[CMH]

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I see what your getting at. I was thinking it wouldn't be an effective pitch because since it travels like 30 MPH than a knuckleball it would move too fast for the ball to "dance".

Physics are crazy, man.

To think that a four-seam fastball has great spin on it, but moves like a straight arrow to the plate.

A two-seam fastball actually has less spin and moves away from hitters.

If you ever thrown a breaking pitch then it makes more sense. Curveballs have very little spin on them and that lack of spin is why it drops so heavily when coming to the plate.

The spin on the ball allows it to reach it's destination faster and on a straighter plane.

But, like someone mentioned, for Odalis Perez it doesn't matter because he still can't pitch well enough for anyone to want to learn how he throws a spinless fastball.

[jake44np]

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I thought a fastball with no movement was a bad thing!

[CMH]

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I thought a fastball with no movement was a bad thing!

Movement as in moving left to right or vice versa.

Spin isn't movement, or at least not in the way it's usually perceived.


Think of the split-fingered fastball. It drops violently because it has little spin. The more spin on a fastball, the less it moves left to right.

It's all about air resistance. Little spin allows air to greatly influence the left/right movement of a pitch. When a pitch spins too much, it zips through air reducing the likelihood of air resistance affecting it's movement.

[dalnet22]

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Now I understand why Perez is sucking. If I'm a batter hitting against a guy w/ a 90 mph no spin pitch, what I think as soon as I see ANY spin? It's not a fastball! This does much more harm for Perez than good because it takes away the guessing part of hitting. If he threw the no spin fastball AND a no spin changeup (hence, knuckleball), he would dominate major league hitters.

[skitch]

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Now I understand why Perez is sucking. If I'm a batter hitting against a guy w/ a 90 mph no spin pitch, what I think as soon as I see ANY spin? It's not a fastball! This does much more harm for Perez than good because it takes away the guessing part of hitting. If he threw the no spin fastball AND a no spin changeup (hence, knuckleball), he would dominate major league hitters.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he throws a normal fastball, too. Major Leaguers are not that dumb.

[Neolithic]

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Physics are crazy, man.

To think that a four-seam fastball has great spin on it, but moves like a straight arrow to the plate.

A two-seam fastball actually has less spin and moves away from hitters.

If you ever thrown a breaking pitch then it makes more sense. Curveballs have very little spin on them and that lack of spin is why it drops so heavily when coming to the plate.

The spin on the ball allows it to reach it's destination faster and on a straighter plane.

But, like someone mentioned, for Odalis Perez it doesn't matter because he still can't pitch well enough for anyone to want to learn how he throws a spinless fastball.

and you are 100% wrong. It's the massive spin on a curveball that allows it to move. If you actually understood how aerodynamics worked you would know that The overhand spin on a curveball, in conjunction with the seams (those things that makes breaking pitches possible ) makes the air underneath the ball move past it faster. This is turn creats a low pressure zone under the ball, Air inherantly wants to move from high to low pressure. thusly, the now "high" pressure air above the ball wants to move to the now "low" pressure zone created by the overhand spin under the ball, however, the ball....is in the way, and therefor gets pushed downward by the air above the ball attempting to get beneath the ball.

The exact opposite is true of a fastball. You put massive backspin on the ball to create a low pressure zone ABOVE the ball, the air beneath it wants to get above the ball, ( this also is the basis of lift on an airplane wing ) however, not enough lift is generated to actually make the ball "fly away", the ball does take a much more streamlined and straight flight to the plate.


Breaking pitches are all a matter of direction of spin and variance of the seams through the air. (obviously other factor's come into play, velocity, density of the air. Any moisture from the skin put on the ball....etc etc.)