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He's not at a traditional power position so those numbers should get him in on the first ballot.Comment
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I had to reply to this. I don't exactly like Kent because he more or less held a grudge against the Blue Jays because he was part of the David Cone trade. Anywho at least I let bygones be bygones and see his career numbers for what they are.
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You are of base, it has nothing to do with that, I love Kent always will, but I think he is not your typical 2nd basemen, so that is why he is putting up hall of fame numbers, if he play 3rd or 1st we wouldn't be even having this conversation, but becasue he plays a base that players usually don't put up power numbers all of a sudden he is a hall of famer. Kent is a big guy he should be putting up these kind of numbers, if he was little guy and he was still putting up these numbers then yes he should be in the hall. I guess I am alone with this thinking. lolComment
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One could make the opposite argument for you; that you are being biased in your judgement of Kent.
In general, I think it is irrational to give these handicaps to positions that don't have a history of putting up power numbers. A 2B shouldn't get in over a 1B or OF when the 1B or OF has better numbers. It isn't like it magically becomes harder to hit just because somebody plays second. There is no reason to handicap people.
Jeff Kent should be judged on his numbers, not his position.
I am aware I am a Giants fan so you may think I am biased but that would be an insult to me. I've always felt this way about judging players.Comment
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He'll get in, but probably not on the first ballot. It all depends on who retires the same year as he does, I suppose.Comment
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When I first saw the name in the thread I thought "Is this a joke?", but then looking at the career stats I was shocked. I've always thought of Kent as a good player, but not one of the greatest players of all time, as the numbers would see to suggest.
So he will more than likely get in, but I don't think that he will go in on the first ballot, as I believe that many votes will view him as numbers worthy, but not one of the icons of the game waltzing in no questions asked.Jordan Mychal Lemos
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Here's objective for you. I hate the Giants, Dodgers and Jeff Kent, but I know the guy is a HOFer.
I think it's quite clear that some people still hold a grudge and they also don't understand the wear and tear on a middle-infielders body. Any 2nd baseman or SS that puts up numbers like that deserve to be in Hall.Comment
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At no point in my post did I say Jeff Kent should not be in the HoF. I really don't know. I'd have to compare his numbers to other people in this era and other people in the Hall and I don't feel like doing that.
All I am arguing is that people should be judged by their numbers, not their position. Hypothetically speaking, let's say there are two candidates and only one can get in. They both have the same exact stats except that one plays CF and the other plays 2B. They are also average in terms of fielding ability relative to their position Why should the 2B automatically get the nod just because second has a history of having poorer hitters than center? There is no reason for it. Playing 2B doesn't make it harder to hit the ball.
If we are incorporating a player's defensive ability than obviously position should be judged but if a player does not significantly influence games with his fielding than his position shouldn't matter. Sure if a SS has ridiculous range and stops balls no other shortstop would get to, he should be praised for being a great SS. But take a guy like Kent as an example. He has always been an average 2B defensively. Put most other 2Bs at his spot, and his team doesn't give up any more runs than with Kent. It doesn't affect anything. This does not mean I am saying he should not be in the HoF, I am just saying that his position should not be the criteria that people judge him on.
Now that I think more about it though, I'd say playing catcher should affect the judgement. Catchers deal with so much stress on their legs through the course of a year that it becomes very difficult to use the legs in swinging. Any other fielding position shouldn't matter.Comment
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I'm going to agree with Snepp and BK. Kent won't be a slam dunk 1st ballator, it took Ryne Sandberg a few times before he was voted in. Sandberg has a much better fielding $ than Kent as well.
Baseball Reference has Kent with similar numbers as Santo. Granted they play different positions, but Santo isn't in even with the veterans committee.
It will be interesting how they view Kent's offensive states vs his less than avg defense.
If you don't think defense is important, all you need to look at is the careers of Bill Mazerowski and Ozzie Smith.Last edited by roadman; 06-06-2007, 07:50 AM.Comment
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