Hall or Not?

[Shaver]

Re: Hall or Not?

I don't know... I mean, he probably gets in because he could swing the bat... but I'm jaded when you get into the conversation about second basemen in the Hall.

I just think Lou Whittaker deserved more consideration than he got. I understand that Lou got hurt by playing in a generation with a better hitting 2B in Ryne Sandberg... but Lou...

2369 hits
244 HRs
1084 RBIs
.276/.363/.426
Walked more than he K'd
Rookie of the Year
5 All-Star Games
3 Gold Gloves
4 Silver Sluggers
1527 DPs

Kent is definately damn impressive in his power numbers... but Lou was a pretty complete player.

Plus, who else can say they forgot their jersey for the All-Star game and had to buy one at the Concession Stand and magic marker his number on the back????

Or pulled a hammy "disco dancing" before a playoff game?

[roadman]

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I don't know... I mean, he probably gets in because he could swing the bat... but I'm jaded when you get into the conversation about second basemen in the Hall.

I just think Lou Whittaker deserved more consideration than he got. I understand that Lou got hurt by playing in a generation with a better hitting 2B in Ryne Sandberg... but Lou...

2369 hits
244 HRs
1084 RBIs
.276/.363/.426
Walked more than he K'd
Rookie of the Year
5 All-Star Games
3 Gold Gloves
4 Silver Sluggers
1527 DPs

Kent is definately damn impressive in his power numbers... but Lou was a pretty complete player.

Plus, who else can say they forgot their jersey for the All-Star game and had to buy one at the Concession Stand and magic marker his number on the back????

Or pulled a hammy "disco dancing" before a playoff game?

I agree with you Clay, Trammel should be in too. I've always thought Sweet Lou should be in the hall.

Another HOF worthy 2B before Kent should be Roberto Alomar.

2700 hits
474 SB's
.371 OBP
12 All-Star Games
10 Gold Gloves
2 MVP's
4 Silver Sluggers
.981 Fielding %
1134 RBI's
210 HR's
1 ROY


I think what's holding Alomar back is attitude.

[Hootiefish]

Re: Hall or Not?

I don't know... I mean, he probably gets in because he could swing the bat... but I'm jaded when you get into the conversation about second basemen in the Hall.

I just think Lou Whittaker deserved more consideration than he got. I understand that Lou got hurt by playing in a generation with a better hitting 2B in Ryne Sandberg... but Lou...

2369 hits
244 HRs
1084 RBIs
.276/.363/.426
Walked more than he K'd
Rookie of the Year
5 All-Star Games
3 Gold Gloves
4 Silver Sluggers
1527 DPs

Kent is definately damn impressive in his power numbers... but Lou was a pretty complete player.

Plus, who else can say they forgot their jersey for the All-Star game and had to buy one at the Concession Stand and magic marker his number on the back????

Or pulled a hammy "disco dancing" before a playoff game?

Off-topic a little, but all players from the '80s are running into this problem. If I remember, even Sandburg, the hands-down best second baseman of the 1980's, barely made the Hall on his first try. The 1980's are a forgotten decade in baseball circles because of the drug issues (which were there in the 70's, but no one paid any attention) and the fact that the power numbers of the 90's destroyed the record books.

You could make a laundry list of guys from the 80's that should be in the Hall but aren't.

[Stu]

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Off-topic a little, but all players from the '80s are running into this problem. If I remember, even Sandburg, the hands-down best second baseman of the 1980's, barely made the Hall on his first try. The 1980's are a forgotten decade in baseball circles because of the drug issues (which were there in the 70's, but no one paid any attention) and the fact that the power numbers of the 90's destroyed the record books.

You could make a laundry list of guys from the 80's that should be in the Hall but aren't.

Exactly. I'm far more impressed with guys like Lou Whitaker, etc who put up those numbers in the 80's than guys that are putting up those numbers in the current era.

Jim Rice is another guy who should be in.

Kent will probably make it at some point, I'm not sure about first ballot. Personally, I think the fact that he's a 2B is moot. Players are putting up huge numbers at every position in the steroid era, so why should he get special credit.

[ZM Punk]

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As much as I don't like the guy, I definitely think he's a Hall of Famer. I'm with the majority in thinking, that it wouldn't be as much of a slam dunk if the guy played a corner infield position. The guy put up huge offensive numbers for a second basemen and the alone will be enough to get him in.

[heitkamp94]

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This day in age the Hall is all about the hype you get, Kent has been off the radar a bit in houston,SF, and the while the dodgers are in LA they dont' get a whole lot of ink. If he were in Boston or New York there'd be no argument and Kent would be a lock. I think he deserves to be in he's been consistent everywhere hes gone and the numbers don't lie.

[55]

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Another HOF worthy 2B before Kent should be Roberto Alomar.

2700 hits
474 SB's
.371 OBP
12 All-Star Games
10 Gold Gloves
2 MVP's
4 Silver Sluggers
.981 Fielding %
1134 RBI's
210 HR's
1 ROY


I think what's holding Alomar back is attitude.

Good point. If Kent gets in and Alomar doesn't, I think I'll puke all over myself.

[ZM Punk]

Re: Hall or Not?

Good point. If Kent gets in and Alomar doesn't, I think I'll puke all over myself.

If Alomar doesn't get in I would be extremely shocked. I agree that Alomar is more deserving than Kent is, but I think both will eventually get in.

[BaseballCtchr]

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I think I will turn this type of discussion into a monthly thing but only picking current players who have not been voted on yet. So that would include recently retired. Good idea or Not?

[Scottdau]

Re: Hall or Not?

Let me ask you. Which one of these guys would you put in the hall?

2048 hits, 389 HR's, 1376 RBI, .267 Avg, 9 GG

2774 hits, 438 HR's, 1591 RBI, .279 Avg, 8 GG

I would love to hear your arguments for or against.

If you want my opinion I don't think those are hall worthy. They are good numbers, but I think you should have 3000 hits or hit 500 HR or 320, maybe even 330 lifetime average or gold gloves.


If you look at the pass 2nd basemen are there any bigger than Kent. He is 6'2'' and weighs about 220, so tell me one player that is bigger than Kent, and if you think being that size doesn't help his power numbers, oh welll then.

[Scottdau]

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If you are going to put him in becuase he hits well for a 2B, do you take points away, because he's not really that good in the field at 2b?

I disgree there are different ways you can get into the hall. Denfense is one way and the other is hitting. If you hit 3000 hits or hit 500 hrs or hit a career 320 average you should be in. Or if you won let say 10 gold gloves. I just don't like the " becasue he played 2nd base he should be in".

[roadman]

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I disgree there are different ways you can get into the hall. Denfense is one way and the other is hitting. If you hit 3000 hits or hit 500 hrs or hit a career 320 average you should be in. Or if you won let say 10 gold gloves. I just don't like the " becasue he played 2nd base he should be in".

Honestly, I wrote one of the BBWA's a few years ago and asked besides Robin Yount's 3000 hits, why was he voted in because he only had a few MVP years.

His response was because 3000 hits is a milestone, but most of the writers gave Yount some slack because he played one of the three hardest positions in baseball, SS and CF.

So, those things are taken into consideration.

[Scottdau]

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Honestly, I wrote one of the BBWA's a few years ago and asked besides Robin Yount's 3000 hits, why was he voted in because he only had a few MVP years.

His response was because 3000 hits is a milestone, but most of the writers gave Yount some slack because he played one of the three hardest positions in baseball, SS and CF.

So, those things are taken into consideration.

Yeah, but if you hit 3000 hits you should be in. Even if it is only because you played 30 years. lol That guy should be given some props to be able to play that long while other weren't or couldn't.

[Alliball]

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If you want my opinion I don't think those are hall worthy. They are good numbers, but I think you should have 3000 hits or hit 500 HR or 320, maybe even 330 lifetime average or gold gloves.


If you look at the pass 2nd basemen are there any bigger than Kent. He is 6'2'' and weighs about 220, so tell me one player that is bigger than Kent, and if you think being that size doesn't help his power numbers, oh welll then.

Where are the Guiness guys when I need them, "brilliant". One of those guys is widely considered the best player to ever play at his position.

[Scottdau]

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Where are the Guiness guys when I need them, "brilliant". One of those guys is widely considered the best player to ever play at his position.

What ever we just disagree. I think the hall should be base on the things I say and you think they should be base on your things, those numbers you showed aren't that great, so if anybody has those kind of numbers they should be in, it will become like the football hall. lol


I will say one thing you can be nicer about things, instead of always putting me down for my opinion, but it is all cool. You have done this to me for a couple of other things. So OK we have different opinion that is life, but why attack. If I ever have attacked you before I am sorry.