A rule that needs to be changed

[deeman11747]

This has bothered me forever. They need to change the scoring rules into an earned run for any run that scores as a result of an error on the pitcher. It has never made any sense to me. If someone can justify it, please explain.

[TheGamingChef]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

ERA is a measure of the pitcher's pitching ability, not his fielding and pitching abilities.

[dkgojackets]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

Its not that meaningful of a stat anyway.

[TheGamingChef]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

Its not that meaningful of a stat anyway.

I disagree, ERA is one of the best measurements of pitcher performance.

[ILLCHILL]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

Its not that meaningful of a stat anyway.

I like some of the new stats, particularly offensive ones, but I will always think ERA is a very solid and simple way of seeing how effective a pitcher is.

[Sandman42]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

I disagree, ERA is one of the best measurements of pitcher performance.

I'd take DIPS over it.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

I'd take DIPS over it.

I hate sabermatrics (/end rant of ususual people not knowing what certain new stats pertain too).

I'd rather look at both ERA+ and WHIP.

[XboxRocks1991]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

Dropped third strike anyone?

[Chip Douglass]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

Its not that meaningful of a stat anyway.

Isn't the goal of a pitcher not to allow runs?

[Lintyfresh85]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

I hate sabermatrics (/end rant of ususual people not knowing what certain new stats pertain too).

I'd rather look at both ERA+ and WHIP.

Bingo... ERA+ and WHIP is pretty much all you need to accurately define how good a pitcher is...

A useless stat? Wins and Losses.

Example... who's better? A 15-8 Steve Trachsel with a 4.97 ERA and a WHIP of 1.60 or Kelvim Escobar who went 11-14 with a 3.61 ERA and a WHIP of 1.28. According to wins and losses Trachsel is better but pitching wise it's obvious Escobar had the better year.

[larrygiterdone]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

the problem with WHIP is that it treats a bloop single the same as a home run

ERA does a better job of taking that into account

[Chip Douglass]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

the problem with WHIP is that it treats a bloop single the same as a home run

ERA does a better job of taking that into account

WHIP is better suited for relief pitchers, as in certain situations, they'll be called in for a particular matchup to prevent someone from reaching base.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

the problem with WHIP is that it treats a bloop single the same as a home run

ERA does a better job of taking that into account

Preferably you'd want your pitcher to not give up a hit at all.

I have no problem with that.

[dkgojackets]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

the problem with WHIP is that it treats a bloop single the same as a home run

ERA does a better job of taking that into account

The problem is that both stats can benefit/hurt the pitcher based on the quality of the defense.

[CMH]

Re: A rule that needs to be changed

It's not that ERA is a useless stat, it's just that it's not a great stat. Like any stat in baseball (including saber stats) you can't really use one to lead an argument. Each compliments the other.