umps in ATL

[fugazi]

Wow... did Lilly really deserve to be ejected tonite after hitting Renteria?

I didn't see it, just wanted some feedback.

I watched some of yesterday's game (3rd of the series) and the homeplate ump was atrocious. Seriously, bloody awful. The strike zone, through one single inning, varied remarkably, and really seemed to favor the Braves.

Heard that kind of thing before, but usually when Smoltz, Glavine, or Maddux was involved.

Anybody else see tonite's or yesterday's game?

[Chip Douglass]

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Wow... did Lilly really deserve to be ejected tonite after hitting Renteria?

Yes. It was obviously intentional and both teams were given warnings in yesterday's game.

[chicagochill95]

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The ongoings were completely unfair, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that ump get fined.

On Friday, Soriano hit 3 Home Runs. On the first pitch of yesterday's game, Hudson pluncked Soriano on a pitch that was near the head. The Ump immediately warned both teams, and nothing occured later in the game.

Today, Lilly got the first two batters out. He had 2 strikes on the 3rd batter, when he pluncked him. The Ump had issued no warning before the game.

Renteria immediately charged the mound until he was held back by Barrett. However, the Umpire ejected Lilly. Piniella went out to ask why he ejected him, and how would he know if Lilly was throwing at him.

The Ump said, "he knew Lilly was throwing at him" and "he was waiting for it coming".

Later in the inning, Renteria went into 2nd, and gave a forearm to Fontenot. Nothing happened to him. He was neither warned nor ejected.

Chicago
Lilly hits Renteria with 2 strikes which wasn't clear to be intentional (may have been)

Atlanta
Hudson hits Soriano on first pitch near head day after Soriano hits 3 HR's (obviously intentional)
Renteria charges mound
Renteria forearms Fontenot in a cheapshot

However, nothing happened to Atlanta. Meanwhile, Lilly was ejected.

I think the Ump will get fined, and Renteria suspended for a game for not only charging the mound, but forearming Fontenot also.

[TheMatrix31]

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Yeah, I don't get it either.

That was a dirty play by Renteria on Fontenot and really pissed me off as a Braves fan. I don't like players on my team doing cheap **** like this. I mean why did Hudson have to throw at Soriano? It's not Soriano's fault that Lance Cormier f'n sucks and Mike Hampton so constantly injured that we can't even get a consistent fifth starter.

[p_rushing]

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Come on Renteria didn't charge the mound, he took a few steps. The ump felt like he had to get control or it was going to get ugly, that's why he tossed him. Renteria was wrong for hitting the SS on his stolen base though.

[SPTO]

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I don't understand it either but it should've went both ways with Renteria being ejected for that shot at Fontenot. I guess the Cubs are just being targeted by umps lately.

[Brandon13]

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Lilly's ejection was BS no doubt. I really don't think they should warn or eject anyone until a player on both teams has been hit. The exception would be if a pitcher throws at a batter's head.

Renteria should have been ejected for hitting Fontenot in the face, but I liked seeing him do it. That's about the only way Renteria could get even in that situation so I don't blame him at all.

[chippered]

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Yes. It was obviously intentional and both teams were given warnings in yesterday's game.

BS call by the plate umpire. From what Piniella said, they didnt get a warning before the game, so no one should've been ejected without first getting a warning in game.

Also, someone had a mic on and you could hear the ump tell Piniella "he threw at him...I knew he would, I was waiting for it." If he knew Lilly was going to throw at him, why not issue a warning before hand? What a moron. Do ump ever get suspended or punished for being boneheads?

[fugazi]

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Renteria should have been ejected for hitting Fontenot in the face, but I liked seeing him do it. That's about the only way Renteria could get even in that situation so I don't blame him at all.

"Getting even?" What is wrong with you? Getting even is the problem, stooge. It has already been established, and you supported this idea, that Lilly was unlikely to have intentionally hit the obviously-insecure-in-his-manhood dirtbag with 2 outs and a a 2 strike count....


The only person who deserved to throw a punch was Fontenot, and this would have been a response to poor-quality and low-class play, as opposed to dirty play itself. I am almost disappointed that fontenot did not punch him.

If he is not fined, then MLB has a serious problem.

[BGarrett7]

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I still think there is something deeper with Lilly than we have been told.

When Edgar was hit last night and began to walk towards the mound -- hardly charging or being contained by Barrett, by the way -- the ump immediately a warning to both teams. The benches then began to empty and Edgar began to walk towards first where the rest of his teammates had began to gather. Only after all this transpired did the ump actually make the motion to throw Lilly out of the game. The ejection was not immediate, which leads me to believe that something happened between the issued warning and the actual ejection. The ump says he "knew" the pitch was intentional and was expecting it though, so who really knows.

[p_rushing]

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I still think there is something deeper with Lilly than we have been told.

When Edgar was hit last night and began to walk towards the mound -- hardly charging or being contained by Barrett, by the way -- the ump immediately a warning to both teams. The benches then began to empty and Edgar began to walk towards first where the rest of his teammates had began to gather. Only after all this transpired did the ump actually make the motion to throw Lilly out of the game. The ejection was not immediate, which leads me to believe that something happened between the issued warning and the actual ejection. The ump says he "knew" the pitch was intentional and was expecting it though, so who really knows.

That's what I think too, he told him to go back to the mound, when the ump turned around after walking to first, he then threw him out. Something had to have been said.

[fugazi]

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So what if something was said, unless it was to the ump. In that case, even, umps should learn that they must be consistent or they will get some abuse. They were awful the entire 2nd half of the series. The strkezone during the 3rd game was loco.

We haven't even mentioned Soriano getting drilled (note, Renteria was hit by an offspeed pitch, barely "plunked")

What a BETCH move by Bobby Cox and Tim Hudson....so what if the guy hit 3 homers!!!! You punish him? come on......IMO, they were defending Andruw cant-keep-my-hips-in Jones's ego....and Chipper's too. I suppose whenever a good player takes a team to school he deserves to be punished, and we should apologize to the Braves for their lack of power?

I hated the braves from the moment Maddux signed with them, but this seals it, they are officially on the hate list for the ever. (note: the only time i was on their side was the Kent Hrbek play in the WorldSeries....never again!)

[Brandon13]

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"Getting even?" What is wrong with you? Getting even is the problem, stooge. It has already been established, and you supported this idea, that Lilly was unlikely to have intentionally hit the obviously-insecure-in-his-manhood dirtbag with 2 outs and a a 2 strike count....


The only person who deserved to throw a punch was Fontenot, and this would have been a response to poor-quality and low-class play, as opposed to dirty play itself. I am almost disappointed that fontenot did not punch him.

If he is not fined, then MLB has a serious problem.

Actually it was two outs and a 2-0 count. I don't have much doubt the Lilly pitch was intentional, I'm not sure why you think I supported the idea that he didn't hit him intentionally. I don't get why Renteria wasn't within his right to go after an innocent bystander when, when Renteria was hit, he was also an innocent bystander.

And I do think Renteria should be fined for the play.

[BGarrett7]

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What a BETCH move by Bobby Cox and Tim Hudson....so what if the guy hit 3 homers!!!! You punish him? come on......

This I completely agree with. Soriano did absolutely nothing to warrant the treatment he got from Hudson at the start of Saturday's game. It was a total bush league move on his part. If you allow three homers to a player, don't be a puss and throw at him, you go right at him and get him out. There was no excuse for what Huddy did. Much like there was no excuse for what Renteria did when sliding into second after the altercation on Sunday. Soriano did nothing to justify being hit on Saturday, and in no way tried to retaliate at any point later in the series, he handled it perfectly. It should have all ended with Lilly hitting Renteria -- which I do believe was intentional. He was absolutely dealing in that first inning, he had dominated both Kage nad Yuni in their ABs, and had worked back from a 2-0 count on two close calls against Renteria. No way does someone who was pitching the way Lilly was suddenly lose his control that bad.

[BGarrett7]

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I don't get why Renteria wasn't within his right to go after an innocent bystander when, when Renteria was hit, he was also an innocent bystander.

Because it should have ended right there. You hit our player, we hit your player. End of situation. You don't take it to step two when everything had been settled in step one. It's plays like what Renteria did which escalate the situation and makes things get really out of hand.