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  • Coug00
    LOB
    • Jul 2002
    • 3476

    #16
    Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

    Originally posted by rdeyes
    do you mariner fans think ichiro will resign now that hargrove is gone?
    No idea. I haven't seen Ichiro talk much about his contract.

    I think the chances of him re-signing with the M's are better now that Grover is gone.
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    • Sedihawk2K5
      Rookie
      • Dec 2005
      • 360

      #17
      Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

      Originally posted by Coug00
      No idea. I haven't seen Ichiro talk much about his contract.

      I think the chances of him re-signing with the M's are better now that Grover is gone.
      Supposedly McLaren and Ichiro are close and have been since Ichiro showed up in '01. Then again Ichiro has stated many times that he's never been a free agent before, on any level, and this would be his first chance to give it a shot. It's rumored the M's and Ichiro's agent have been talking contract since spring training, but all sides are tight-lipped. I'd think that he's now this close to free agency, he might as well take it all the way and see what else is out there.

      I really wonder how much a manager actually matters in MLB. Sure they have to know how to run a bullpen and manage ego's of 25 guys on a daily basis, but, managers have bench coaches, hitting coaches, pitching coaches, etc. How much does it truly matter? I mean Lou Piniella was a GOD in Seattle, then went to Tampa and lost a ton of games and couldn't wait to get out. Did he suddenly get stupid?

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      • Dregur
        Pro
        • Dec 2002
        • 529

        #18
        Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

        No, he got Devil Ray'd.

        -The Grinman
        Hornets to Seattle? Hmmm....

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        • Coug00
          LOB
          • Jul 2002
          • 3476

          #19
          Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

          Originally posted by Sedihawk2K5
          I really wonder how much a manager actually matters in MLB. Sure they have to know how to run a bullpen and manage ego's of 25 guys on a daily basis, but, managers have bench coaches, hitting coaches, pitching coaches, etc. How much does it truly matter? I mean Lou Piniella was a GOD in Seattle, then went to Tampa and lost a ton of games and couldn't wait to get out. Did he suddenly get stupid?
          Personally, Lou drove me nuts. Talk about a guy who had (may still be 'has') no idea how to handle his bullpen and his younger pitchers. He did a great job of turning around the losing mentality in the early 90's, but at the same time there were some extremely talented teams that underachieved with him.

          I agree with you that MLB managers aren't THAT important. They don't have the same impact to success/failure that NFL or NBA coaches have on their teams. However, I think a great manager can probably squeeze an extra 5-10 wins out of a team each year (and the flip side for bad managers). Half the difference in the M's this season is how much better Hargrove has done with the bullpen. He was inserting the right guys in the right situations and even giving Putz the ball in the 8th inning in crucial, high pressure save situations. He NEVER did that last year and the M's were burned at times as the setup guys couldn't get the hold. And when he does put JJ in that situation he gives him rest the following days so he doesn't burn him out. I'm still not a Grover fan, but he was a much better manager this season (and he admitted that yesterday).
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          • SPTO
            binging
            • Feb 2003
            • 68046

            #20
            Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

            Well looking at some of the other replies with some more info I can understand why Hargrove resigned. It's the same thing that happened with Tom Kelly. When you've been in baseball for as long as those guys have then eventually the travel and managing a ballclub will get to you.

            The one thing I don't understand is that he offered to resign when the team wasn't doing so well and was asked to rethink his decision. I think (if health is not a factor) that it's irresponsible and selfish of Hargrove to leave the team when they're doing so well. He could've just said that he hasn't changed his mind but will finish out the year.
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            "Baseball is the most important thing that doesn't matter at all" - Robert B. Parker

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            • Seahawk76
              MVP
              • Oct 2005
              • 1394

              #21
              Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

              I thought Hargrove was a lousy manager last year. He rarely used the bench or put the game in motion or did anything that was the least bit original or aggressive. He'd pencil in the same lineup day after day after day and his pitching rotation rarely varied until even he couldn't avoid noticing that Joel Pineiro sucked.

              Hargrove was much better this year but I wonder how much that had to do with the M's bringing in McLaren as the bench coach. I guess we'll find out since it's McLaren's team now.

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              • Seahawk76
                MVP
                • Oct 2005
                • 1394

                #22
                Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

                Originally posted by rdeyes
                do you mariner fans think ichiro will resign now that hargrove is gone?
                I think the odds of it have gone up. It's been rumored that Ichiro didn't care for Hargrove's management style and was much closer to McLaren who was a Mariners coach when Ichiro first signed with the M's during the Piniella era.

                The #1 conspiracy theory floating around Seattle is that Ichiro had told M's management that he wouldn't re-sign with the team as long as Hargrove was the manager so Hargrove knew he was a lame duck. I've seen no evidence for it but that's the speculation.

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                • Coug00
                  LOB
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 3476

                  #23
                  Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

                  If this is the way McLaren is going to handle the bullpen for the rest of the year I have 3 words:

                  BRING HARGROVE BACK!

                  That was god awful handling of a bullpen. That's the kind of crap you expect from a 1st year manager in JV high school.
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                  • Seahawk76
                    MVP
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 1394

                    #24
                    Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

                    Originally posted by Coug00
                    If this is the way McLaren is going to handle the bullpen for the rest of the year I have 3 words:

                    BRING HARGROVE BACK!

                    That was god awful handling of a bullpen. That's the kind of crap you expect from a 1st year manager in JV high school.
                    Hargrove quit on this team. I don't want him back for any reason. Ever.

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                    • aukevin
                      War Eagle, Go Braves!
                      • Dec 2002
                      • 14700

                      #25
                      Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

                      Originally posted by chippered
                      Kudos to the guy for being willing to put things in perspective. If he really wants to spend more time with his family, then I hope him all the best. Hopefully this is really what he wants though, and not his wife pushing for it.
                      It's nice that he wants to be with his family if that is the case, but if that is the reason, I think he should have set a better example of sticking things out and finished the year.

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                      • chippered
                        MVP
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 1528

                        #26
                        Re: Mike Hargrove resigns

                        Originally posted by aukevin
                        It's nice that he wants to be with his family if that is the case, but if that is the reason, I think he should have set a better example of sticking things out and finished the year.
                        I see what your saying, but baseball is a game that will never be as important as ensuring your families well being. I know the team is an extention of family, but I'm sure you know what I mean.
                        GT = Chippered

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