Best pitching rotation

[SPTO]

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How about A.J. Burnett and his 9-walk gem of a no-no?

I like the No-Nos where the pitcher that does it actually allows a run and/or loses the game. I believe it happened with the Expos in the early 90s against the Dodgers.

[snepp]

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Here's an almost no-hitter like that...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andy_Hawkins

Unusual no-hitter

On July 1, 1990, Hawkins pitched a no-hitter for the Yankees against the Chicago White Sox at Comiskey Park but lost the game. Hawkins dominated the White Sox into the eighth inning, where he retired the first two batters. After that, Sammy Sosa reached on a throwing error by Yankees third baseman Mike Blowers. Hawkins then walked the next two batters. That brought up Robin Ventura, who lofted a fly ball to left field. The blustery winds buffeted the ball, and rookie Jim Leyritz, normally a third baseman, booted it, allowing all three baserunners to score. The next batter, Ivan Calderón, hit a fly ball to right field, which was lost in the sun and dropped by Jesse Barfield. The final count for the inning: four runs, no hits, three errors. The Yankees, who had not scored all game, were unable to score in the 9th inning, giving Hawkins the loss.

The 4-0 loss was the largest margin of a no-hitter loss in the 20th century, and Hawkins became the first Yankees pitcher to lose a no-hitter. On Sept. 4, 1991 the Committee for Statistical Accuracy, appointed by Commissioner Fay Vincent, changed the definition of a no-hitter to require that a pitcher throw at least nine full innings and a complete game. Since Hawkins played for the visiting team in the game in question, the White Sox never batted in the ninth inning, Hawkins lost the credit for a no-hitter.

[BatsareBugs]

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How about A.J. Burnett and his 9-walk gem of a no-no?

More pitchers should gameplan like that against the Padres. The Padres hitters get worse the more runners there are on base.

[rsox]

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I like the No-Nos where the pitcher that does it actually allows a run and/or loses the game. I believe it happened with the Expos in the early 90s against the Dodgers.

It did back in 1991. Mark Gardner was the pitcher for the Expos who the no-hitter and lost. Of course i think it was only two days later in the same series that Dennis Martinez pitched a perfect game.

[coffeeholic]

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Interesting points made here on this thread. I was wondering now after reading some comments-Are parks that aren't hard to hit HR's or don't have a fielders park be considered "unfair" to a pitcher's ERA? unfair,meaning that at the end of the year when everything is said and done,are some great pitchers traveling down on the stats charts because of a tough home park? I understand that road games can help equalize,but is that enough? I might be overthinking this,I just wonder want everyone else thinks about this.

[Coug00]

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A bad defense or smaller park definitely have a negative effect on a pitcher's ERA. And an ERA will benefit from a great defense or huge park. How much...I don't know. You'd need somebody better than me at metrics. I could see in some cases an ERA being skewed as much as half a run over the course of a season by those factors.

This year Matt Morris's ERA is over 2 runs/game better at home than away. Obviously AT&T is a pitcher's park, but part of that could be that he has allowed 16 earned runs and 10 unearned runs at home this season. He's allowed 0 unearned runs on the road. I have a hard time believing that's just a coincidence. I'm assuming its caused by different score keeper's standards, both in SF and on the road. Since scorekeeping is at the discretion of the scorekeeper at each ballpark they can really affect a pitcher's ERA. A lot more than you'd think.

The problem is that pitcher's really don't have much control over their ERAs. ERA was originally created to be an all-encompassing measure of a pitcher's performance, but it assumes all things are equal, when obviously that's not the case at all. There are much better metrics than ERA that can be used in helping evaluate a pitcher.

To read more about it...and I mean WAY more about it...check out this post on USS Mariner to see how the metrics community measures a good or bad pitcher.

<a href="http://ussmariner.com/2006/08/29/evaluating-pitcher-talent/">Evaluating Pitcher Talent</a>

[snepp]

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USS Mariner is excellent, the only non-Twins blog that I invest my time reading.

[coffeeholic]

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Thanks for answering my question in detail Coug00. I guess being a Dodger fan and knowing that Dodger Stadium is basically a pitchers park had me wondering about the full effects of a "pitchers park"

[richierich]

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Not to be a Homer but I'd like to think that the Giants have a decent rotation. If they only had more run support....that's the story of the Giants. :y4:

Hah I said this 2 years ago. Too bad I had to wait all the way until Cain and Lincecum were 10-2 and Jonathan Sanchez pitches a no-hitter....lol
And this year they have been getting way more run support, but at the same time a lot more shutouts, ironically.