Best pitching rotation

[Coug00]

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It would be hard to find a 1-2 combo better than Verlander/Bonderman right now.

Its arguable, but Haren/Blanton (Harden when healthy), Beckett/Dice-K, Escobar/Lackey are just a few.

Also would be hard pressed to find another team with better tallent in the minors.

Tampa has the best minor league talent.

[ndeezlo]

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Bonderman after the first inning is the best pitcher in baseball. Bonderman in the first inning is terrible.

[BatsareBugs]

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It would be hard to find a 1-2 combo better than Verlander/Bonderman right now.

It's not that hard to do... Peavy/Young.

[ktd1976]

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Right now, I'd take the Verlander/Bonderman combo over any other 1-2 combo in baseball. Especially after the Tigers lit up Matsuzaka today.

True, the Daisuke/Beckett combo has more wins, but Verlander/Bonderman have a better ERA, and with any run support in Bonderman's first 4 starts, he would have 13 wins already.

Throw in Kenny Rogers, who has looked awesome in his 3 starts since coming off the D.L., and Andrew Miller, who has looked awesome despite having only one consistant pitch (just imagine how good he will be when he can get his breaking pitch over consistantly) and you have the BEST 1-4 in the majors right now.

The only weak spot is Nate Robertson, who beat the Red Sox today

Id take Bonderman/Verlander over Peavy/Young any day of the week, and twice on Sundays

[NYJets]

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Id take Bonderman/Verlander over Peavy/Young any day of the week, and twice on Sundays

You must put a TON of stock in the difference between the AL and NL then, because Peavy and Young are both putting up much better numbers.

[BatsareBugs]

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Don't worry about it. It's his opinion. Sometimes people choose to not take the better duo.

Verlander and Bonderman are good and I definitely wouldn't mind having those two as 3 and 4 behind Peavy and Young. This wouldn't even be a discussion if the Padres picked Verlander in 2004 instead of Matt Bush.

[ktd1976]

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Verlander and Bonderman are BOTH only 24, and already this good. If I was building a team around 2 pitchers, they would be it, because of how good they are now, plus the potential for them to be good for years and years to come.

Verlander and Bonderman have more wins than Peavy and Young do. Yes, peavy and Young have better ERA's, but they pitch in a league where there is no DH, and the #8 hitter in the lineup is normally like a #9 hitter in the A.L. It can be argued that pitching in the A.L. is much tougher because of the D.H. ERA's have been traditionally higher in the A.L.

Bonderman's and Verlander's ERA are excellent (3.48 and 3.14 respectively) for A.L. pitchers. I agree, Young's and Peavy's are better, but you have to look at more than just ERA to determine how good a pitcher is. Peavy and Young have lost a combined 6 games, while Verlander and Bonderman have lost just 4. Bonderman could, with any run support, have 14 wins at this point. If not for his first inning struggles this season, his ERA would be around 1.50.

Verlander's no hitter speaks for itself.

Has Peavy or Young done that?

[NYJets]

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LOL, you have to look at more than ERA, and you choose wins?

Here's how the 4 rank in a number of stats.

ERA
1. Young
2. Peavy
3. Verlander
4. Bonderman

K/9 innings
1. Peavy
2. Young
3. Bonderman
4. Verlander

WHIP
1. Peavy and Young
3. Bonderman
4. Verlander

Statistically, Peavy and Young are both having better years than Bonderman and Verlander. Bonderman and Verlander are younger, but it's not like Peavy and Young are aging. And this thread was about the best pitching rotations now, not who you want to build around for the future.

[dieselboy]

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Statistically, Peavy and Young are both having better years than Bonderman and Verlander.

Don't forget that Peavy and Young not only play in the NL, but they pitch in the most pitcher-friendly park in the league.

I am pretty sure that Comerica is pretty average.

[SPTO]

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I am pretty sure that Comerica is pretty average.

I'm pretty sure that even after bringing in the fences a bit Comerica is still the most pitcher friendly (or at least top 3) in the entire AL.

[NYJets]

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Don't forget that Peavy and Young not only play in the NL, but they pitch in the most pitcher-friendly park in the league.

I am pretty sure that Comerica is pretty average.

Yea, I'm not sure the stats, but Comerica is still a pretty big park.

And Peavy's ERA is .94 on the road, so I don't think that's any factor with him. Young has been much better at home, so it's possible that it is a factor with him.

[Psyblast]

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I'm pretty sure that even after bringing in the fences a bit Comerica is still the most pitcher friendly (or at least top 3) in the entire AL.

Indeed.

[dieselboy]

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I'm pretty sure that even after bringing in the fences a bit Comerica is still the most pitcher friendly (or at least top 3) in the entire AL.

Maybe top three-five, but no way is the still the most pitcher friendly in the AL.

[dieselboy]

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Yea, I'm not sure the stats, but Comerica is still a pretty big park.

And Peavy's ERA is .94 on the road, so I don't think that's any factor with him. Young has been much better at home, so it's possible that it is a factor with him.

Peavy and Germano have been better on the road and at home. But, look at the ERA jumps for Young, Maddux, and Wells on the road versus at home.

Maddux: 3.48 to 4.42
Young: .82 to 3.33
Wells: 2.91 to 6.52

[ktd1976]

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While its true that Comerica doesn't yeild many home runs, it still yeilds many runs. It is in the middle of the pack as far as scoring this year in the A.L. The Tigerslead the majors with 507 runs already this season. If Comerica was such a pitcher freindly park, they wouldnt have scored that many runs.

by the way, here are Verlander and Bonderman's ERA's at home vs. on the road.

Verlander home=3.67 Road=2.56

Bonderman home=3.25 road 3.80

The Comerica Park being a pitcher friendly park argument doesnt work with Verlander, as his road ERA is a full run lower than his home ERA, while Bonderman's is a little over a half run higher on the road, as opposed to Young's road era being 2.50 higher.

If anything, I think San Diego's park has more to do with Young's ERA being lower than Comerica Park has to do with Bonderman and Verlander's ERA's